‘Psychic’ Joe Power and the Two-Man-Mob


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Cool drizzle fell onto the grey Saturday streets of Liverpool, a light breeze tumble-weeded a sweet wrapper down the road in a clichéd fashion, and I was becoming increasingly aware that this would be the strangest conversation of my life.  And I didn’t need psychic powers for that.  For I was in the company of ‘Psychic’ Joe Power, fresh from his latest in-store book-signing (signed copies of which, I add, are still on the shelves of Waterstones – supply quite exceeded demand it seems), and things were getting weird.

“The thing about you sceptics,” he said, standing on the step of a plus-size lingerie shop to raise himself to my eye-level, “is that you sit there, festering in front of your computers at 3am, thinking up ways to get at people.  What if I were to sit in front of your house and tell people you’re a paedophile?”

“Well,” I say, “that’s for you to decide to do if you want to but it’s not really the same thing – I’m raising questions over what you do and the service you claim to provide; insinuating I was a paedophile would be just a personal attack, and wildly baseless.  It’s not really the same thing.  At all.”

“Oh I think they’re very similar,” he answers, “because you’re there festering, at 3am, plotting to get at me, in the same way that paedophiles fester and plot to interfere with children – you both have to be sick in the head to do what you do.”

With Herculean effort to suspend my natural what-the-fuck? reaction, and with a curt politeness that in retrospect now seems other-worldly, I manage a swift retort:  “Sorry, can I just clarify – are you comparing sceptics to paedophiles?  Could you explain that?  I mean, are you saying that paedophiles also ask questions of you, or what exactly?”

Joe:  “I think most sceptics probably are paedophiles. I mean you’re sat around at 3am, plotting, aren’t you?  Do you deny that?”

An-incredulous-Marsh: “Do I deny what?  That I ask questions?  That I’m sometimes awake at 3am?  Or that I am a paedophile?  Could you please be clear what you’re asking me, Joe?”

It’s not often that you’re 5 minutes into a conversation with someone you’ve never met before and they’ve already played the paedophile card.  I had a feeling it was going to be one of those days.

As it happens, I hadn’t sat awake at 3am plotting this at all.  In fact, although I’d penciled in Joe’s book-signing weeks ago as an opportunity to go along and present him with an application from for Randi’s $1m Challenge, it was only upon arrival at the bookshop that it struck me that I had no absolutely no idea what I was going to say, or do.  I hadn’t planned that far ahead.  I’d figured I’d wing it, have a quick five-minute chat for the benefit of the unconvinced amongst the queue of would-be signees, and be on my merry way with a first baby-step into sceptical activism successfully traversed – onwards and upwards.  Admittedly, the first hiccup in my vague plan was the total absence of a queue of would-be signees.  When I arrived at the bookshop, Joe sat alone at a specially-roped-off table, signing a pile of books – with no baying hordes nor adoring fans to dazzle.  Perhaps I’d missed the masses’ arrival and departure – I could only speculate, as I’d arrived 15 minutes after the start of the signing, and stuck around for maybe 20 or so minutes.  I saw 5 people request signatures in that time.  I felt a pang of guilt, even.  I figured I’d wait for Colonel Molerat to arrive, then introduce myself, hand over the application form, explain what it was and leave it at that.  Alas, as I descended the stairs with the newly-arrived Molerat, we were struck by unforeseen hiccup #2: Joe Power had left the building.  Perhaps he was psychic after all – evidently, Molerat and I were not.

But luck was on our side – I could see Joe was stood outside the shop, with his manager Claudine Hope.  ‘In for a penny, in for a pound’ thinks-I, introducing myself as I approach them, mentally re-citing my position: ‘Stay polite no matter what, keep professional and calm, don’t get goaded into saying something silly, don’t argue, don’t shout and don’t lose your head’.  Good thing too, as it turns out.

What follows is a pretty solid account of my interview with Joe.  Initially, I hadn’t planned on making a big deal of it – which is why I didn’t record anything, and why I initially verbally agreed not to use some of the… kookier allegations and insults Joe sent my way.  Indeed, it all had ended rather professionally and amicably, as was my intention.  However, a few days later I was notified of a rumour that had been posted to the excellent BadPsychics forum – which read as follows:

“On saturday the sixth of june Joe power was attacked by group of people who surrounded him and his wife and child. waterstones staff were witness to it. He had just finished signing his books when he was caught as he and his family came out. waterstones staff reckoned they were sceptics. But I would not have thought that sceptics would be party to that only debate and disscussion would be the right thing to do. Has anyone heard about this incident. A security guard from the shop broke up the mob”

The ‘mob’ in question consisted of Molerat and I.  The attack was the 30-or-so-minute conversation we had with Joe and Claudine.  We spoke to his wife Claudine specifically in her capacity as his manager – she was actually rather reasonable and amicable.  Surrounding them would have proven mathematically tricky, with two of us and two of them (although, as Colonel Molerat mentioned to me later, only Joe could tell if there were a surrounding-mob of ghosts on our side – I am not the Man Who Sees Dead People after all).  The security guard in question stood near us for part of the conversation, but was told by Joe and Claudine that he did not need to intervene as we were merely discussing things.  The entire rumour quoted above, unfortunately, is wildly inaccurate.

When I heard about it, I immediately emailed Joe and Claudine to give them the chance to clarify things – to date they have not responded.  We’re also working on obtaining the CCTV footage of the incident, and will post stills from it as soon as we get that.  In the meantime, in order to set the record straight, the MSS has no choice but to tell what actually happened.  I stress that the views expressed by Joe are not the views of the MSS, and that although the direct wording of the conversation is not exactly transcribed, the subject matter and style is accurate.

Shortly after the conversation where Joe likened scepticism to paedophilia, the police arrived at the bottom of the street.  Joe paused and raised his hand to quieten me, saying, “I want to see what the police are doing.”  I, entirely off-handedly, told him, “Oh, it’s ok, they’re just on their routine patrol I think,”  to which he ominously answered, “No, actually they’re not – they’re here for you, we called them because I knew you were coming.”  The police patrolled routinely past, and didn’t look at Joe or I once.  I’m unsure if Joe was claiming to have called them psychically, or to have predicted my arrival in advance and prepared the police in that way – but the police took no interest in us.  Almost as if they had not been called to deal with us, and as if Joe was entirely bluffing to try and end the conversation.

Having failed to antagonise with the paedophilia slur, Joe decided next to plough a different furrow:  “Well I could set up my own website, I could set one up saying that gays are all wrong, and what right do you have to stick your cock up another man’s arse, and screw him.”  Charming.  His words, not mine.  “Are you gay, by the way?” he added.  “As it happens, no I’m not,” I politely said, getting the hang of this handing-people-enough-rope malarkey, “and you could do that if you wanted, you could exercise your free speech and make that website.  But I think you’d have to expect even more criticism than you’re getting now, and a lot of very upset responses.”

Seemingly aiming to goad me into a more confrontational position, Joe then re-iterated his point:  “But I could say that you’re wrong to stick your cock up another man’s arse and fuck him…”  At which point Claudine admonished him, in what I felt sounded like serious distaste with his language and approach.  I find it interesting that he could draw a comparison between a sceptical organisation and a homophobic one – quite the false analogy.  What it might show about some of Joe’s personal views, I couldn’t comment on.

It was at this point – withouth trace of irony – that Claudine condemned me for making personal attacks on Joe, and even discussing where he lives, what car he drives, and bringing his family into things.  That’s not something I have ever done, nor will I ever do.  Firstly, I believe it’s important and more intellectually-honest to criticise the work rather than attack the man – the sceptical position is better-served by being professional in criticism; personal vitriol and venomous attack only serve to alienate an audience.  Secondly, and more entertainingly, there are way way way more things to say about Joe Power’s work than there could ever be to say about him as a person – we won’t be running out of material any time soon!

Joe then asked about the Randi challenge – why should he prove himself to James Randi of all people.  I explained through the obvious answers – the importance of evidence, how exciting it would be if we could prove people did have these powers, plus the $1m (“We don’t need the money.”  “Then give it to charity, Joe.  Give it to the families of the victims whose murders you helped investigate – I’m sure they’d appreciate the gesture”).  I also pointed out the prestige and publicity involved in being officially, scientifically certified as genuine – if not for his own career (“I don’t need the publicity.  I’ve got my own book out, you know.  I’ve just done a book signing.”  I didn’t retort with “A book signing that 5 people showed up to,” because I’m a) not that cruel and b) not that quick-witted) then for the careers of mediums less successful than he.  And to expose the fakes in the industry.  “You must personally know, surely, a lot of people in your profession who are fake, and you know they are fake and THEY know that they are fake, right Joe?”  Joe replied, “Yeah, of course I know plenty”.  “So if you can prove you’re real, then others who are just as psychic as you can follow suit, and the ones who are fake will be weeded out, and your whole profession would gain a lot more credibility.”

Joe’s next false analogy was one I’ve heard before, in less extreme terms:  “It’s all the same, you sceptics, you don’t believe, you’re all atheists”.  I pointed out that not all sceptics are atheists, Joe disagreed:  “Well you don’t believe in life after death so you must be atheist.”  “There is a difference,”  I countered, “between life after death, and COMMUNICATING with the dead.  Christians, for example, don’t believe that people are able to communicate with the spirit world – in fact that would be necromancy and would be a sin to even attempt.  There’s no major religion that believes people are able to habitually communicate with the deceased”.  That lapsed Catholicism of mine is still good for something other than a general crushing sense of guilt, it seems.

Joe: “What do you get from this, from writing about people like that?”  Marsh (with a slightly-friendly laugh): “Oh, that’s it entirely – I’m not going to get anything from this, I won’t get a job or a career out of scepticism, I certainly won’t make any money out of all this like you do Joe.  I suppose what we get is the chance to protect people who are vulnerable from exploitation – exploitation from people like all those fake psychics you said you know of.”

The conversation then turned to my previous article on Joe, and his involvement with specific Police inverstigations.  “I have email communications from the police where they ask me for help on cases,” Joe claimed, “What can you say to that?”  “Show me them,” I answered, “and I’ll change my tune.  But the police have denied ever having worked with any psychic, ever”  It was at this point that Claudine and Colonel Molerat had an interesting exhange – Claudine: “How do you know the police all know about it?  Maybe the people denying Joe’s involvement aren’t aware of the individual who asked us for help.”  Molerat:  “It was an individual then?  Was this individual acting in an official capacity as a representative of the police force, or was he just an individual who happened to be a policeman?”  Joe and Claudine had no response to this.  If I were to be asked my personal opinion at the moment, I think that’s why Joe won’t show the emails – I’d say the only communication Joe’s had (if any at all – without showing his proof we can’t accept that any of it exists) would be if someone personally contacted Joe and just so happens to be a policeman, and was not acting as an official spokesperson for any specific investigation.

Joe also spoke to me about the Lynsey Quy murder case:  “You don’t do your research, you just repeat other sceptics’ opinions.  The officer you quoted, Sloane, wasn’t even involved in the case when I gave my information”.  Well, Joe, I’m not the only one who doesn’t do my research.  Your website describes the case, and how Jeff Sloane replaced the chief inspector you spoke with.  His name is Geoff Sloan, as various reliable and non-sceptical sources testify.  Aside from bad spelling, the point remains – if the information Joe Power had provided on the case was in any way correct, accurate or specific enough to be useful, the new Detective Superintendent would have been told about it, and about it’s source.

Joe then returned to the subject of testing:  “Well I would do a test but they’re always rigged. I just had to pull out of a test because it turned out there were two sceptics running it. I won’t say anything else about that test.”  I can’t be sure, but I know Joe was due to be involved in a TV show with Derren Brown.  If I were a betting man, I’d say that was the test he’s pulled out of – but that’s just my opinion/guess.  “But why can’t it be a sceptic and someone independent,” he continued, “and we leave it to the independent person to decide.”  I answered, “Because a sceptic, by definition, IS independent – they just want to follow truth and logic.  Whereas the third party or a believer might not know the skills that people like the guys you openly admit are fakes can use.  How can they tell the difference between yourself and one of the fakes you talked about just using cold reading? A sceptic can do the research and find out all about that, and ensure the test is as fair as possible”.  Joe:  “But what about all the grieving people, the thousands of people who have invited me into their homes and I’ve connected to their dead little boys – if I was a fraud the people of Liverpool would never fall for that, never accept that.”  I replied:  “Well that’s it – there are people who are frauds who DO do that, and grieving people fall for it because they are in such vulnerable state.  How do we tell the difference between you and those fakes?”  Joe:  “But why should I prove anything?”  Marsh:  “Because any claim that is unusual needs proof before it is to be believed.  Show one bit of real proof and I’ll back you to the hilt. It’s like if I said I could fly, and I charged money to teach others how to do it – you’d want to see me fly before some poor sod jumps out of a window.”

One thing Joe was very determined to go on record on was James Randi:  “He’s the most boring, uneducated man I’ve ever met.  Just look at his face, he’s so boring”  Marsh:  “Just to clarify, when did you meet him?”  Joe:  “Well I’ve not met him, but I’ve heard of him.  Just look at his face, he’s so boring.  And he’s a frustrated medium, that’s what he is – he tried to do it and he failed. He used to attend a spiritualist church even.”  As I pointed out to Joe at the time, Randi did mentalism as part of his magic act, and attended a spiritualist church – to debunk it!  Again, Joe, it really is worth doing proper homework on these things, I’d advise reading Randi’s book Flim Flam, where he recounts the whole tale of the spiritualist church, and the debunking of the use of the old Billet-Reading trick he found there.  Furthermore, how can someone be a failed medium – if you really are genuinely seeing the dead, how can someone who had ‘the gift’ try to do it and fail?

The conversation, by this point, had clearly bested Joe, as he reverted back to gauche attempts to irk and goad us.  “What if I tell you, right now, the exact day and time you’re going to die?” he gloated, “The exact date and time you’re gonna croak it.  What would you say to that?”  I replied in good humour: “Well, I’d probably put some kind of bet on it”.  Colonel Molerat in fact went one better, and offered to put £50 on Joe’s prediction of my expiry, but alas Joe didn’t give us a date.  I even offered to make it simple for him, “Actually, if you’d like you could tell me the date and time I was born.  Because I already know that answer, so I we check easily.”  Joe declined.

One final note on this – Claudine expressed her desire that this stay off the record, because sceptics ‘twist everything that’s said, to make Joe look bad’.  I’d just like to re-iterate that I’m only publishing this account to clear up the erroneous reports that we had mobbishly surrounded and attacked Joe – we didn’t want accounts of our peaceful and professional encounter twisted to make us look bad.  If there’s anything in the above account that Joe or Claudine feel does not accurately reflect the conversation we had, I’ll be more than happy to listen to their concerns, and if I’ve misremembered any details I’m happy to finesse the account.  With an open and honest dialogue, I’m sure we can get to the truth on these things – and if at any point Joe is able to offer any kind of proof of his gift that holds up to any kind of serious scrutiny, I will personally become his number one advocate.  I’ll run the fan club.  I’ll wear the T-Shirt.  Hell, I’d even buy one of the many signed books that are still sitting on the shelves in Waterstones.  But personally, I don’t predict that will happen any time soon…

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  1. #1 by Redwinelover on June 14, 2009 - 14:50

    Hilarious article, although it’s a disturbing conversation. Who could have predicted it would turn out like that – well maybe Joe himself?
    Reading this, I can’t believe Joe Power was looking for something derogatory to compare you to, by association and choose paedophiles, gays, and atheists. ‘Cause, hey there’re all as bad as each other! I thought we’d moved on from this type low grade dross about gay = buggery, (no mention of lesbians; or hetero’s who indulge in a bit of bum fun!). What’s with his obsession with buggery anyway? I think he’s protesting too loudly… hasn’t he seen the end of American Beauty LOL.

    I’d pay good money to know when I was going to die as it would be useful to know if I’m going to need a pension. How would communicating with the dead allow him to gain that information? Do spirits know the date of every other persons death, including all the billions of people who lived before us, and those yet unborn? They’d need huge brains for that kind of info… and yet I don’t think spirits have brains… or any other organs…. Nope, it just doesn’t make any sense to me!

    Next time you go out on one of these mob attacks ( AKA conversations ), I’ll have to come along and take pic’s for the blog. Perhaps you could put up one of those signs asking for witness’s to come forward… that street is one of Liverpool’s busiest especially on a Sat afternoon, surely someone saw something!

  2. #2 by Colin G on April 30, 2010 - 02:23

    What a massive wanker. I knew he was a fraud, but it’s surprising to see quite how hateful he is.

  3. #3 by Jess on May 6, 2010 - 09:59

    Saw him in Edmonton last night.I was gobsmacked-he told a woman whose nephew died as a result of a fall from a 14th floor window that she should tell her sister that it’s ok,he did not jump-he went on to imply he was killed in the flat,then chucked out of the window!!He was utterly crass,talking to a woman whose son died in a car crash about “crushing” and asking if there had been horrific head injuries.

    Worst thing was that he was boring,and he really needs to practise so that his patter is a bit smoother. I don’t believe that if the dead COULD talk to us they would come back to ask how our knees are.

  4. #4 by Marsh on May 6, 2010 - 10:04

    @Jess Sadly, this doesn’t surprise me. It looks like there’s no depths Joe won’t plumb to try and feign psychic powers, and it’s here that you can see the real harm of these types – convincing a woman her son was killed just to ‘confirm’ his powers is pretty despicable.

    All I can say is watch Derren Brown’s show this Sunday – I have it from very good authority that Joe comes off less than well, and gets VERY embarrassed at the end of the show…

  5. #5 by @MedTek on May 10, 2010 - 15:27

    Marsh- was his kid there as he stated in the “mob” complaint? Did he talk that way in front of his kid? (how old?)

  6. #6 by Marsh on May 10, 2010 - 17:32

    @Medtek – His kid was in a pram at the time, so it was there, but not REALLY there in the sense of understanding him. I think it was asleep.

    Had his kid been older, I most likely wouldn’t have said anything – nobody needs to see their dad being that much of a tool, really.

  7. #7 by Roger Jesse on May 10, 2010 - 23:55

    This is gold! The Derren Brown programme really shows his personality quite well. When faced with anybody who questions him he goes into a defensive and aggressive mode.

    The bit that made me laugh is where he went into psycho “I must prove myself” mode when he realised that Derren was showing him up when interviewing Claire, saying “The difference between me and you is I state facts” then going on to talk about her Mini, even though the interview was over. When it was later explained that he had seen Claire pull up in her Mini, it came to light that actually his statement was correct, he does state fact – but not through any psychic media, just by cheating. And yes, Derrren was using guess work but it was bloody intelligent guesswork and he was absolutely on the mark.

    The bloke clearly lacks intelligence, you can just tell by the way he conducts himself and the things he says.

    The only thing I will say is any attempt to prove this guy a fraud is a waste of time. Even if you do prove him wrong (which has been accomplished to a certain extent already), the people who knew it already will say “I knew it!” and the people who believe will choose to ignore it.

    Also, how can you argue with a guy with his mentality? He’s not on your level. You’re on two different battlefields. He’s blindfolded holding a fork stabbing a tree, whilst you’re looking at him from the next battlefield with his head firmly in your sniper sight laughing at him. Of course, he knows this because he’s psychic, and you’re a paedophile, so he’s just ignoring you and what he’s actually doing is testing the tree for “magnetic fields” so he can see its “colour aura”.

    HA!

  8. #8 by aronsmum on May 11, 2010 - 00:51

    Great work! Don’t give up on exposing this **** for what he is….
    Just watched Derren Brown – brilliant! Loved the fact that his ‘good’ reading ended up being for his sister’s neighbour! Ha Ha Ha!
    Hopefully he’ll have to actually consider doing an honest days work in order to make a living sometime soon…..

  9. #9 by Adventure on May 11, 2010 - 01:40

    To Roger Jesse … “Also, how can you argue with a guy with his mentality? He’s not on your level. You’re on two different battlefields. He’s blindfolded holding a fork stabbing a tree, whilst you’re looking at him from the next battlefield with his head firmly in your sniper sight laughing at him. Of course, he knows this because he’s psychic, and you’re a paedophile, so he’s just ignoring you and what he’s actually doing is testing the tree for “magnetic fields” so he can see its “colour aura”.”

    Slightly off topic but that image is very amusing, I think you should take up comedy writing if you dont already do it. Made me chuckle. More on topic, saw the Darren Brown program, very good though predictable. There tends to be one outcome when logic and fact meet fakers who are unwilling to be tested or bound to anything as simple as logic, cause and effect, proof, debate or any of those silly things … bluster and obfuscation.

  10. #10 by Caroline on May 11, 2010 - 02:38

    It’s a really well written and entertaining article, I enjoyed stumbling across it!

  11. #11 by w_nightshade on May 11, 2010 - 10:07

    I watched the Derren Brown programme last night, and was very, very pleased. Derren portrayed himself well, stayed well out of libel’s path, and lent Joe P. enough rope to hang himself three times over. Power came off looking like a whining, self-defensive prick (which I can only assume is because that is what he is). And the reveal at the end had some real drama in it (for me at least).

    Thanks so much for this article, and for standing up to such a weasly little turd with more dignity and respect than he deserves. Makes us all look good.

  12. #12 by GrindCoreMind on May 11, 2010 - 10:22

    I’m amazed. Astounded even.

    Joe Power is married!!!!

    I’d have bet money on him being gay. Then again – As he’s apparently so homophobic in the article, I can only assume that he’s in denial. A la George Alan Rekers and so many other homophobes.

    Anyone remember Phoenix nights – the fake psychic Clinton Baptiste- “I’m getting the word nonce!”

  13. #13 by Seamus Moran on May 11, 2010 - 13:05

    Great article. Never heard of the bloke before DBs show last night. What a thoroughly obnoxious, pig ignorant, hateful charlatan he is. Like most people of his type, nobody really needs to work too hard to expose him as a fraud as he does such a good job all on his own. Why are the psychic “professions” allowed to operate without any kind of scrutiny or validation of their claims?
    BTW I thought he was gay too.

  14. #14 by Nick on May 11, 2010 - 15:05

    Hmmmm i’m getting a feeling that something is going to happen very soon…….

    It’s the end of Joe Power’s career as a medium.

    My second premonition is that he his change of career will spark an end to his sham of a marriage…

    Third premonition is that his ‘coming out’ will soon follow.

    I do it for love…I bring comfort to the skeptics 🙂

    p.s – Great article by the way 🙂

  15. #15 by Yorkshire Skeptic on May 11, 2010 - 15:08

    Excellent article and excellent program!

    Did anyone else find it odd that in both home readings he went to the toilet before he did the reading? If a stranger came to our house through the front door, through our living room, up the stairs, across the landing and to the bathroom, they could learn a LOT about the people in the house just by the junk they’d see on the way there (pictures on the wall, books on the coffee table, etc)

    Could be coincidence, but it seemed suspicious to me.

  16. #16 by JackRubysDog on May 11, 2010 - 16:07

    Joe Power IS psychic, it’s just that he’s such an odious and nasty piece of work that us dead don’t wish to talk to him.

    Jack (1962-2008, died of dodgy knee syndrome).

  17. #17 by Dtd on May 11, 2010 - 16:58

    Re Yorkshire Skeptic

    I think you’re spot on about the toilet visits – I recall this being done by another Skeptic, who sent assistants to peoples homes to distribute tickets to a psychic show. They gleaned information; briefed the “psychic”; the individuals swore blind that he couldn’t possibly know the things he did, and had to be prompted to remember the house visits.

  18. #18 by GrindCoreMind on May 11, 2010 - 17:31

    Well – Yorkshire Skeptic – he was full of shit!

    Can I say that on a family website?

  19. #19 by Yorkshire Skeptic on May 11, 2010 - 17:40

    @GrindCoreMind

    I guess that’s a valid alternative hypothesis!

  20. #20 by Yorkshire Skeptic on May 11, 2010 - 18:38

    @Dtd

    I have a feeling i’ve read that before as well.

    Also, (seen this mentioned by others elsewhere) quite a lot of people keep medication for medical conditions in bathroom cabinets…

  21. #21 by gaynor on May 11, 2010 - 21:53

    Amazing article! What a nasty, nasty little man JP is! Fantastic expose by Derren Brown.

  22. #22 by gary mac on May 11, 2010 - 22:48

    had not heard a thing about this so called charlatan until derren’s show aired on monday night. looked on this guys website, and he is so obsessed with self promotion that he lists the newspapes he has been featured in and the podcasts of the radio shows he has been interviewed on. (the newspaper references do not say whether this was positive or not) i thought derrens show portrayed this man to be an absolute fake and a charlatan. i cannot believe how people have the brass neck to carry out such blatant lies. What always strikes me about so-called psychic readings is that the person who has “passed over” always sends a message that they are “fine” and “not to worry” (oh no I am picking up the lingo) Now if we are to believe there is an afterlife, then we have to believe that there is good and evil in that afterlife. (stay with me) you never hear a psychic say, i am sorry but your Father is being burned and tortured on a daily basis by Lucifer and his band of evil sprits. given the number of psychic readings being done on a daily basis around the world you would think that this might come up at least once, funny how it never seems to though. Joe Powers powers are only in name I am afraid. Funny how he never saw that Shannon Matthews Mother was responsible for the abduction as well (inset picture) we need to move on to the Acorah now, Derren please expose this guy as well

  23. #23 by Meath on May 11, 2010 - 23:46

    Great article and site, found it after i googled Joe Power Fraud!
    Seems like he gets very angry when someone confronts him. I think another giveaway is Joe’s website advertises 4 premium rate psychic lines from joes “psychic team” with “for entertainment purposes only” in the small print at the bottom!

  24. #24 by Roger Jesse on May 12, 2010 - 03:59

    @ Adventure. Thanks, I was just in a silly mood.

    Yes, I agree with regards to the predictability. Generally it goes onw of two ways with people like Joe Flowers. One is the tendency to fly off the handle at reasonable questions then storm off, another is to dodge questions, twist the subject or fight intelligence with stupidity. I think he deomstrated both of those avoidance tactics.

    Then again, what are we expecting from these sort of programmes? Are we expecting him to put his hand up and say “OK I’m a liar and a fraud”. It’s not going to happen, this guy has been making profit from lies for years, he’s probably even convinced himself that what he does is honest. I noticed when posed with any question about his credibility he referred to the word “medium” and avoided the word “psychic”.

  25. #25 by Roger Jesse on May 12, 2010 - 04:05

    @ Yorkshire Skeptic

    It was blatantly obvious what he was doing. What are the chances of needing to use somebody’s toilet twice during a brief home visit on two consecutive days? You’d have to have pretty poor bladder control! If you watch it again you’ll notice on the second home visit when he comes down from the toilet he’s looking all about the living room for clues whilst hes talking to the woman.

    “I’m getting the number two…. number two…. ooops gotta nip to the toilet again”

  26. #26 by nickcaldo on May 12, 2010 - 14:09

    great program the other night what an absolute tool this guy is, the funny thing about the toilet visits i thought, was the first thing DB did on arrival at JPowers flat after the introduction was ask if he could use the toilet(seemed to take sometime which seemed to annoy JP) whilst mr power mashed his tea. the guy is obviously a sheister and the Mini debacle went more than some way to prove that(lets not mention his sisters neighbour). What a cold calculating carnival act this guy is.

  27. #27 by mikeyg2310 on May 12, 2010 - 19:32

    I’d like to believe that there are genuine mediums out there. NOT THIS GUY!
    Was it just me or with the 2nd lady ‘Pam’ in the show, he mentioned ‘James’ as being on her father’s side, then said the mother had said ‘James’ was “part of the five”
    I believe it is common knowledge that a liar blinks when telling a lie, so to compensate some make sure they don’t blink. Look how long he stares at Derren when he is saying he is not a fake!

  28. #28 by Michael on May 12, 2010 - 19:39

    Imagine someone is threatening your employment position, your livelihood, the way you earn a living, the method you use to put a roof over your head and feed your family? Would you fight back?
    Still the guy’s a cunt.

  29. #29 by Tyler Durden on May 12, 2010 - 20:46

    Great article Marsh, top man!
    I’d never heard of Joe Power before watching the Derren Brown show (of who I’m a big fan!)
    Power’s tricks and routines were so very predictable, he’s not even a very accomplished charlatan. “Five, whatabout six, no, whatabout nine, or two, does that mean anything?” (The mini incident with Claire was priceless, as was his mock-outrage with Derren regarding ‘Pam’ at the end).
    Of course, parasites like Power, Acorah, Edwards, Sylvia Browne et al will always seek to prey on the vulnerable, the general public need more education on such subjects, and perhaps to accept when people are dead, they are dead.
    Keep up the good work!

  30. #30 by @donnaaosbo on May 12, 2010 - 22:39

    I am not a sceptic, but Joe Power is a tot scumbag. He decided to take part in Derren Brown’s ‘Derren Brown Investigates’. Surely the word ‘investigates’ is a clue???

    I think he thought he’d be able to show Derren Brown how clever he was and it severely backfired.

    Anyway, I also thought he was gay but his ‘builder’s bum’ look when, he was going into ‘Pam’s’ house, was vile YUK!!!!

    Great reading all the articles and comments!

  31. #31 by Darwin on May 12, 2010 - 23:24

    Is this guy nuts? Does he actually think he has a special gift? OK, I have an open mind, he can come to my house and give me a reading thats unless ‘unknowm parameters will effect the reading’. And if thats the case, then i’m bugered. (Pardon the expression)

  32. #32 by Dr. Halpinstein on May 13, 2010 - 03:12

    @@donnaaosbo, The problem with educating people is that faith is the unsinkable duck. For an awful lot of people a universe where you have to talk to dickheads like him after you are dead is better than a universe with an uncertain end.

    People will pay you so you can give them a reason not to think…

  33. #33 by Dr. Halpinstein on May 13, 2010 - 03:16

    I mean Tylerdurden, my bad.

  34. #34 by SarahW on May 13, 2010 - 09:20

    Great article – like many I came to it via the Derren Brown programme, which was excellent. JP came across as nasty and manipulative: your article gave a further glimpse into his mind. Check out the duplicitous statement on his website about the programme, and compare and contrast.

  35. #35 by Colin G on May 13, 2010 - 17:35

    SarahW :
    Check out the duplicitous statement on his website about the programme, and compare and contrast.

    He’s making some vague noises about legal action, always the last refuge of the scoundrel:
    http://www.joepower.co.uk/joe-power-news.html

    Some of the people I work with are fans of his; sadly I think they have invested so much faith in him and his kind and the pseudo-spiritualism they offer it will be very hard to convince them he’s just a conman.

  36. #36 by Lord Nevets on May 13, 2010 - 22:24

    In the interview with Claire, he went all Steve Carrel in ‘Anchorman’
    ‘I see Mini , I like Lamp, I like table’ etc etc. Brilliant.
    Thank you mr power, now remember, there’s no such thing as bad publicity….. Well actually, having shitty strips torn off you by Derren Brown really sort of nails you.
    Hang on I’ll have a bash at this Medium stuff…… I’m seeing a distinct lack of business coming your way, I’m seeing a jobseekers form in your hand, I’m seeing Bailiffs taking that big plasma back. I’m seeing your career…… no ……no.. no it’s gone.
    Ambulance chasing, toad-faced, lying toenail. Be gone.

  37. #37 by Roger Jesse on May 13, 2010 - 22:31

    I just want to throw eggs at him – brick shaped eggs, made from brick….

  38. #38 by Duncan on May 14, 2010 - 00:15

    James Randi has a boring face?
    http://www.williamhkennedy.com/randi.jpg
    Therefore he’s uneducated? I wonder what Power’s education consists of.
    Just had a quick look at his website (no biography there), and noticed that you can (with a credit card and a telephone) “Contact Joe Power’s New Team of Psychics”. Yes: he has outsourced his “gift”. Although, it does state that “Live readings are for entertainment purposes.”

  39. #39 by RichardP on May 14, 2010 - 11:35

    Smashing article, and well done you and Molerat for dealing with JP so professionally. Not so surprising that he responds so aggressively and nastily to criticism; guilt often prompts that kind of behaviour. It’s very sad that people still and will always fall for his kind of cobblers.

    DB’s programme was jaw dropping, particularly the women at the mass reading who’d seen JP many times before, told the camera he’d given them exactly same message every time, and they still thought he was great! People just baffle me, they really do.

  40. #40 by EVILSPEAK on May 14, 2010 - 16:48

    Quite clearly an odious little man scratching a living corpse-kicking his way around the residents of Liverpool with hopeless dreams of hitting the bigtime. With any luck after Derren exposing him clearly for what he is he’ll very quickly fade away back to his sordid little grief pit where he belongs never to be heard of again.

  41. #41 by spiderabc1 on May 14, 2010 - 22:38

    Unfortunately my mother-in-law did not watch the show. I have tried to encourage her to spend a little time and energy on Derren’s work but she blanks it all and to be honest I feel looked down upon for the mere suggestion. I gather those that want to believe in such find it so difficult to realise loved ones are really gone. Thanks for this article, not sure if it is right I am kind of glad he is total ****.

  42. #42 by smeg17 on May 16, 2010 - 14:28

    Im gettin Paul McCartney and Jimmy Corkhill but no Barry Grant, ha ha what a douchebag Joe (no)Power is

  43. #43 by adwarfnamedduck on May 18, 2010 - 18:29

    Excellent work – love the new Derren Brown show too. I always think it’s sad though that there actually has to be a difinitive word, in this case “sceptic”, to refer to someone who doesn’t believe in this mumbo jumbo (at least not in the way that it is presented by it’s practitioners). Surely disbelief should be the natural state. That effort even needs to be taken to expose them just boggles the mind, everything they do is suspect to very straightforward questioning, i’m amazed that so few people interact with individuals like Joe Power without thinking “Yeah but… couldn’t he have found that out / grasped at that fact, by doing – – that”. But then it’s like what spiderabc1 was getting at – my mother is someone who doesn’t deal well with losses in the family and I really have to bite my tongue around her, or my sister (who put my recent break up from a long term relationship down to mercury retrograding… apparently… personally I like to think our own actions are not completely inconsequential in the face of unrelated, and frankly inconvenient, planetary movements), because they get defensive to the point of being incorrigible even if presented with the most barefaced truths I can find.

    But for the same reason, the fault doesn’t lie with those who seem guillible, as the high majority of these people are just desperate for some kind of hope or salvation – whether that’s wanting to believe in life after death purely because the idea of ultimate meaninglessness is something they cannot face, or if they want to reconnect with someone they lost and simply can’t bare to let them go. That is understandable and quite a natural reaction, and as long as the will to believe exists, then fraudulent, shameless, enterprising people will always be ready to take advantage of vulnerable people looking for comfort.

    It’s very sad, but what can you do.

    Then again offering vague comforts is one thing… but doing what one poster described in that piece describing a woman who’s young boy fell from a window to his death, only for her to be told by Joe that he was infact killed… is it not enough to suckle profit from the misery of these poor people, and leave them feeling comforted even if lied to? Does he have to go that bit extra and open a whole new chapter of nightmares and forlorn questioning aswell, for the sake of instilling the slightest bit more percieved authenticity within their minds? That kind of callous and reckless disregard for the deepest emotions of innocent strangers for sheer self gain is truly disgusting.

  44. #44 by kittikat on May 23, 2010 - 09:18

    I agree that this is a fantastic argument; professional, information, superbly written and, above all, highly entertaining! Like a couple of people here, I came across this after watching Derren Brown’s ‘The Man Who Contacts The Dead’ (also enjoyable, but I’m not convinced that Derren pushed Mr. Power enough in his questioning. Having said that, if he’s as disgusting and rude as he appears to have been with you, that doesn’t really surprise me!), I just wanted to see if other people had contacted with him.

    His behaviour (from what you’ve reported, and the comments by fellow posters here) is nothing short of vile. Completely shocking. I hope that each of his ‘followers’ soon realise the depths he will sink to in order to cheat them out of every penny they own.

  45. #45 by willowlin on May 24, 2010 - 21:14

    It’s pretty horrible making a living on cheating other’s emotions. What a liar Power is!

  46. #46 by Jade. on May 25, 2010 - 09:57

    I happened to stumble upon this from a link on The Guardian and, seriously, was a fabulously entertaining article. Having seen the guy on Derren Brown come across as nothing but a fool, I can’t say I was at all surprised by his actions bar the paedophilia comparison. That just climbs to new levels of absolute fuckery.

  47. #47 by Mike A on May 29, 2010 - 22:12

    Power had clear and obvious psychological problems on the Derren Brown programme, but even after that I hadn’t bargained for such a full-blown nutjob as this. I feel sorry for the people who represent him, as detailed on the loony’s self-aggrandising website. The man is delusional.

  48. #48 by Mike A on May 29, 2010 - 22:15

    By the way, it’s sceptics, not skeptics.

  49. #49 by Mike A on May 29, 2010 - 22:47

    Seamus Moran :
    Great article. Never heard of the bloke before DBs show last night. What a thoroughly obnoxious, pig ignorant, hateful charlatan he is. Like most people of his type, nobody really needs to work too hard to expose him as a fraud as he does such a good job all on his own. Why are the psychic “professions” allowed to operate without any kind of scrutiny or validation of their claims?
    BTW I thought he was gay too.

    I agree, and also with the gay observation. I can only assume that the pretentious little scarf and mincing around in stereotypically gay clothing is what the thick fake thinks is somehow “flamboyant”.

  50. #50 by Shell on June 23, 2010 - 01:53

    Funny how Joe Power didn’t foresee the consequences of being so overly aggressive and unpleasant and then not responding to your email asking about the rumour (read lies) about a ‘mob’ isn’t it?

    Generally I think that people who get /that/ defensive and so absurdly accusatory have a)no way to adequately justify their position b)an inability to articulate an argument sensibly and c)are attempting to sustain a whopping big lie!

    Plaudits for keeping your tempers.

    @shell_here

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