Comments on: ‘Flu Defence’ Effluence – Where Swine Flu Meets Bullshit

By: Stop FDA censorship

Stop FDA censorship — Thu, 18 Feb 2010 15:05:20 +0000

“The FDA censors health information. It does so to protect drugs and its drug approval process from competition.”

StopFDACensorship.org

“The pharmaceutical lobby not only affects FDA regulation of drugs but also FDA regulation of foods and dietary supplements. Truthful speech concerning the disease treatment effects of dietary ingredients is censored by the FDA.”

http://www.emord.com/events/speeches/fda_violation.htm

P.S. The stupid statements about the HIV are removed and website is defaced…

By: Marsh

Marsh — Thu, 08 Oct 2009 11:45:23 +0000

I’m sure it is indeed standard practice for herbal supplements. But claiming to cure AIDS is not standard practice, nor is it ethical practice. Nor is it sane.

Just because it’s standard practice for herbal supplements to put disclaimers at the bottom of their pamphlets saying, effectively, ‘all of the claims we’re making here are just made up’ does not make it ok, it just makes it prevalent.

By: Ramses

Ramses — Thu, 08 Oct 2009 10:24:07 +0000

The disclamer at the bottom, is so the medicine can be sold as a dietary supplement (food), rather than a medicine. Dietary supplements can be sold freely, while medicines must be approved for sale. This is standard policy for herbal supplements.

By: Google

Google — Tue, 28 Jul 2009 23:46:21 +0000

Google keywords (Elderberry):
+elderberry +hiv
+elderberry +hiv +”clinical study”
+elderberry +hiv +”clinical studies”
+”black elder” +hiv
+”Sambucus nigra” +hiv

Dramatic increase in immune mediated HIV killing activity induced by Echinacea angustifolia.

Berman S, See DM, See JR, Justis JC, Tilles JG, Ma CB; International Conference on AIDS.
Int Conf AIDS. 1998; 12: 582 (abstract no. 32309).

Veterans Affairs Medical Center, Long Beach, California, USA.

URL: gateway.nlm.nih.gov/MeetingAbstracts/ma?f=102229824.html

By: Wikipedia

Wikipedia — Sun, 26 Jul 2009 07:24:20 +0000

“In a placebo-controlled, double-blind study, Elderberry was shown to be effective for treating Influenza B. People using the Elderberry extract recovered much faster than those only on a placebo. This is partially due to the fact that Elderberry inhibits neuraminidase, the enzyme used by the virus to spread infection to host cells.[3]

A small study published five years ago showed that 93% of flu patients given extract were completely symptom-free within two days; those taking a placebo recovered in about six days. This current study shows that, indeed, it works for type A flu, reports lead researcher Erling Thom, with the University of Oslo in Norway.[4]”

“Sambucus.” Wikipedia, The Free Encyclopedia. 23 Jul 2009, 14:06 UTC. 23 Jul 2009 .

By: Barbara

Barbara — Fri, 24 Jul 2009 23:39:28 +0000

Hi Marsh. I first thought ..How could you be bothered with such tosh? Though good on you for doing it, these money making scams are like personal psychic readings, they appeal to the desperate. And if used instead of proper medical treatment eg for HIV/Aids are appalling.
It made me think tho about immune system boosting. I always thought breastmilk ‘boosted’ the baby’s immunity by supplying immunoglobulins which (so far) can’t be delivered in powdered modified cow’s milk. Is that boosting? or just providing what is lacking when a baby is not fed naturally? Certainly most of the babies in hospital with gastro-intestinal or ear infections are formula fed. Very few are breastfed.
Then I remembered seeing a prog where a man with cancer claimed to have been cured by drinking breastmilk. http://www.blisstree.com/breastfeeding123/promising-anti-cancer-powers-of-breast-milk/
Of course I am sceptical. It is a single anecdote. But if I had a cancer and I had access to breastmilk, I think I’d give it a go. I might also make sure I ate my 5 a day. I’d probably stop smoking and reduce my alcohol consumption too.
And how do we skeptics account for the power, or apparent power of belief? If I really believe breastmilk will help, and I live longer than the docs predict, how is that happening? Or doesn’t it? I dunno. But you make me think, Marsh. Thanks.

By: Daz

Daz — Wed, 22 Jul 2009 16:29:00 +0000

I think you enjoyed pulling this apart marsh!!
i wonder if this is the same stuff being peddled in the shop in crosby. next time im at the crosby branch i will go in and ask about about it. maybe i can exchange it for some magic beans!

By: Colonel Molerat

Colonel Molerat — Wed, 22 Jul 2009 10:02:48 +0000

‘I presume the virus she is suffering from is the flu virus, not herpes or HIV, but this isn’t made abundantly clear.’

Ah yes, Argument ad Blondeum. I hear they’ve been using that to sell herpes, syphillis and gonorrhoea to the unsuspecting masses for thousands of years…

By: Marsh

Marsh — Wed, 22 Jul 2009 09:50:33 +0000

Andy – thanks very much my good man, that’s very kind of you!

Raj – that’s a great idea, I’ll have to explore who they are and see if I can get a little more information on them and their accounts. As I say I’ve requested access to their data, but suspect they have none!

By: Andy

Andy — Wed, 22 Jul 2009 09:37:04 +0000

Another great piece of de-bunking Marsh. Although it was a rich target area!

I’m posting the link to this on my pages.

Cheers