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	<title>Comments on: Getting Your Vicars In A Twist</title>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://www.merseysideskeptics.org.uk/2009/10/getting-your-vicars-in-a-twist/comment-page-1/#comment-2133</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 20:52:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am going to EXPLODE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I am so ANGRY with this jumping badgery f&amp;^%wit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Where is my F&amp;^%ing crossbow? NOW!!!!!!!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am going to EXPLODE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I am so ANGRY with this jumping badgery f&amp;^%wit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Where is my F&amp;^%ing crossbow? NOW!!!!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: bob dezon</title>
		<link>http://www.merseysideskeptics.org.uk/2009/10/getting-your-vicars-in-a-twist/comment-page-1/#comment-2132</link>
		<dc:creator>bob dezon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 19:32:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The man is just feeling a bit superflous and marginalised. Might be time to get a &quot;real&quot; job?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The man is just feeling a bit superflous and marginalised. Might be time to get a &#8220;real&#8221; job?</p>
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		<title>By: lovelyyoungman</title>
		<link>http://www.merseysideskeptics.org.uk/2009/10/getting-your-vicars-in-a-twist/comment-page-1/#comment-2130</link>
		<dc:creator>lovelyyoungman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 18:23:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Why is he conducting these funerals? Or, more accurately, why are people choosing to have semi-christian funerals?  Although his comments are tactless, insensitive and selfish to an extent I sympathise with how he&#039;s feeling.

I&#039;ve had conversations with people in the past that have gone something like this:
Me: &quot;I&#039;m an atheist&quot;
Them: &quot;I&#039;m a christian&quot;
Me; &quot;Do you read the bible?&quot;
Them: &quot;No&quot;
Me: &quot;Go to church?&quot;
Them: &quot;Every christmas AND I was christened&quot;
Me: &quot;Grrr&quot;

I&#039;m very surprised to find myself defending a Vicar but I think some of the fault in this situation has to lie with the people who want a nice church and vicar as window dressing for their funeral but don&#039;t actually believe in what he has to say.  Imagine if I approached a mosque and said &quot;Love the minaret and your funny little hat, I&#039;d love to have my relative&#039;s funeral here.  Oh but none of that Muslim rubbish please, I&#039;ll have Bryan Adams instead.&quot;  I think the Immam would have a right to be annoyed.

Having said all that, his comments around non-secular weddings are breathtaking has he no concept that there are people who don&#039;t believe in a Christian god?  &quot;Forgive them, for they know no what they do&quot; has never been used in a more patronising context.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why is he conducting these funerals? Or, more accurately, why are people choosing to have semi-christian funerals?  Although his comments are tactless, insensitive and selfish to an extent I sympathise with how he&#8217;s feeling.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve had conversations with people in the past that have gone something like this:<br />
Me: &#8220;I&#8217;m an atheist&#8221;<br />
Them: &#8220;I&#8217;m a christian&#8221;<br />
Me; &#8220;Do you read the bible?&#8221;<br />
Them: &#8220;No&#8221;<br />
Me: &#8220;Go to church?&#8221;<br />
Them: &#8220;Every christmas AND I was christened&#8221;<br />
Me: &#8220;Grrr&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m very surprised to find myself defending a Vicar but I think some of the fault in this situation has to lie with the people who want a nice church and vicar as window dressing for their funeral but don&#8217;t actually believe in what he has to say.  Imagine if I approached a mosque and said &#8220;Love the minaret and your funny little hat, I&#8217;d love to have my relative&#8217;s funeral here.  Oh but none of that Muslim rubbish please, I&#8217;ll have Bryan Adams instead.&#8221;  I think the Immam would have a right to be annoyed.</p>
<p>Having said all that, his comments around non-secular weddings are breathtaking has he no concept that there are people who don&#8217;t believe in a Christian god?  &#8220;Forgive them, for they know no what they do&#8221; has never been used in a more patronising context.</p>
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		<title>By: AexMagd</title>
		<link>http://www.merseysideskeptics.org.uk/2009/10/getting-your-vicars-in-a-twist/comment-page-1/#comment-2129</link>
		<dc:creator>AexMagd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 15:27:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The funny thing is, the times I feel most annoyed at priests and sermonising is at funerals. I&#039;ve been to a few now where the person being remembered was not particularly religious but all their friends and relatives have to sit and listen to a man who never knew him wax lyrical about how he&#039;s in a better place, and about how important God was to him.

I completely fail to understand how a humanist funeral - featuring music and readings that the deceased actually liked - can be something to look down on like that. Why would you even want a priest at your non-religious funeral anyway? Better to do both him and the deceased&#039;s family a favour and bring in a humanist celebrant.

I also don&#039;t really think he wants to invite a debate about how pastoral care is being tainted by people&#039;s desire to make money, or we&#039;re going to get into a lovely discussion about tax exemption and indulgences.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The funny thing is, the times I feel most annoyed at priests and sermonising is at funerals. I&#8217;ve been to a few now where the person being remembered was not particularly religious but all their friends and relatives have to sit and listen to a man who never knew him wax lyrical about how he&#8217;s in a better place, and about how important God was to him.</p>
<p>I completely fail to understand how a humanist funeral &#8211; featuring music and readings that the deceased actually liked &#8211; can be something to look down on like that. Why would you even want a priest at your non-religious funeral anyway? Better to do both him and the deceased&#8217;s family a favour and bring in a humanist celebrant.</p>
<p>I also don&#8217;t really think he wants to invite a debate about how pastoral care is being tainted by people&#8217;s desire to make money, or we&#8217;re going to get into a lovely discussion about tax exemption and indulgences.</p>
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