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	<title>Comments on: There&#8217;s Probably No Santa, So Stop Worrying and Forget About The Beard</title>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 12:34:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BTW, nice piece Colin.  I like these personal ones.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW, nice piece Colin.  I like these personal ones.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 08:35:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Mr Eldridge to a point here.  Much of what mainstream religion does in the UK is benign.  That&#039;s not the same when you look backwards of course.  I must also agree that in the UK the spectre of extremism raises grave concerns.

However there is a more subtle point here too.  That being the wholesale encouragement of belief in the supernatural in an institutional way.  

Acceptance of miracles, life after death, wishes being granted, pray and you might get it ... and so on, I believe is damaging because of its ready, non critical acceptance and the fact it gets to the young so easily and quickly.

I applaud all the good works that we can ascribe to religious organisations and I think that contribution is sometimes lost among the Skeptical community when we discuss these matters.  

If you ever watch &quot;secret millionaire&quot;, a horribly contrived but fundamentally uplifting programme, you see some indication of the quiet and hidden works being carried out by religious groups.  I&#039;m not saying that programme is entirely representative, only that religion is part of the fabric of our society.  At least the mainstream ones are.  

Therefore, it&#039;s all very well to argue for its displacement, but babies and bathwater are one of the risks.

Education, a statutory approach to the encouragement of critical thinking, and some regulation appertaining to the introduction of religion to youngsters and how it is intially framed for them by the authorities are areas of interest for me in this topic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Mr Eldridge to a point here.  Much of what mainstream religion does in the UK is benign.  That&#8217;s not the same when you look backwards of course.  I must also agree that in the UK the spectre of extremism raises grave concerns.</p>
<p>However there is a more subtle point here too.  That being the wholesale encouragement of belief in the supernatural in an institutional way.  </p>
<p>Acceptance of miracles, life after death, wishes being granted, pray and you might get it &#8230; and so on, I believe is damaging because of its ready, non critical acceptance and the fact it gets to the young so easily and quickly.</p>
<p>I applaud all the good works that we can ascribe to religious organisations and I think that contribution is sometimes lost among the Skeptical community when we discuss these matters.  </p>
<p>If you ever watch &#8220;secret millionaire&#8221;, a horribly contrived but fundamentally uplifting programme, you see some indication of the quiet and hidden works being carried out by religious groups.  I&#8217;m not saying that programme is entirely representative, only that religion is part of the fabric of our society.  At least the mainstream ones are.  </p>
<p>Therefore, it&#8217;s all very well to argue for its displacement, but babies and bathwater are one of the risks.</p>
<p>Education, a statutory approach to the encouragement of critical thinking, and some regulation appertaining to the introduction of religion to youngsters and how it is intially framed for them by the authorities are areas of interest for me in this topic.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
		<link>http://www.merseysideskeptics.org.uk/2009/10/theres-probably-no-santa-so-stop-worrying-and-forget-about-the-beard/comment-page-1/#comment-2063</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 08:19:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Red Celt

I wish i had said that</description>
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<p>I wish i had said that</p>
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		<title>By: AexMagd</title>
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		<dc:creator>AexMagd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 15:20:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do think the world would be better without it. It wouldn&#039;t be perfect, obviously, but think how much of a difference it would have made - Islamic terrorism, the troubles in Northern Ireland, religious genocides in Eastern Europe etc etc etc. And that&#039;s not even including the people suffering from HIV in Africa because of the Pope&#039;s stance on contraception, or the oppression of women in fundamentalist Islamic states. That&#039;s a far cry from religion as a method of getting you through the way.

My world would barely be affected - I have the fortune to be raised in a fairly non-religious democracy in the Western world - but I think it&#039;s terribly naive to assume that religion as we see it in the UK is religion as it is in practice across the world. Religion as we experience it doesn&#039;t have people stoned to death, or shot for wearing trousers - others aren&#039;t that fortunate. If the only way to get rid of religious oppression of that kind were to do away with all religion - including the fuzzy, helping-hand kind we have in the UK - then I would do it without hesitation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do think the world would be better without it. It wouldn&#8217;t be perfect, obviously, but think how much of a difference it would have made &#8211; Islamic terrorism, the troubles in Northern Ireland, religious genocides in Eastern Europe etc etc etc. And that&#8217;s not even including the people suffering from HIV in Africa because of the Pope&#8217;s stance on contraception, or the oppression of women in fundamentalist Islamic states. That&#8217;s a far cry from religion as a method of getting you through the way.</p>
<p>My world would barely be affected &#8211; I have the fortune to be raised in a fairly non-religious democracy in the Western world &#8211; but I think it&#8217;s terribly naive to assume that religion as we see it in the UK is religion as it is in practice across the world. Religion as we experience it doesn&#8217;t have people stoned to death, or shot for wearing trousers &#8211; others aren&#8217;t that fortunate. If the only way to get rid of religious oppression of that kind were to do away with all religion &#8211; including the fuzzy, helping-hand kind we have in the UK &#8211; then I would do it without hesitation.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr Eldridge</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mr Eldridge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Oct 2009 15:41:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WHAT HE DOESN&#039;T EXIST!!  Damn it Colin you&#039;ve destroyed my world ;-)  I remember the day, though a little hazy.  A certain person we know (of a military disposition I might add) was buying none of what you were saying.  That said  seem to remember siding with him over you, not one of my better choices but hey there&#039;s always going to be someone smarter than the rest in a large crowd ;-)  

I would not describe myself as an Atheist, although I don&#039;t subscribe to religion, or any other celestial none entity for that matter now that Colin has put paid to my belief in Santa.

Do I think the world would be a better place without it, no not really, people should be able to think what they like if it gets you through the days.   

If I was offered the choice of removing all the religious stories and morals that have been preached to me over the earlier years, primary school in-particular, secondary school religion consisted a single hymn practice on the first day, along with a small red copy of the New Testament, I would opt to have things left as they are.  I believe that most of the stories and ethics that were bestowed upon me have helped to shape the person I am today, and that can only be a good thing as anyone who knows me well will testify. Plus without that small red bible I would have nowhere to stash my spare car keys ;-).

To sum up my point, I think that the exposure I have had to religion has been harmless, and in many ways beneficial.  Its the  self proclaimed dictators that start banging on about prayer heals death and cancer, and that washing your eyeballs in root of potato and wine will stop you going blind, that are causing the most damage and the sooner these voices are silenced from the public face of society the better.  

Thats my 2 pence worth, not that it makes any sense.  Enjoy and keep up the good work --Mr H--</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WHAT HE DOESN&#8217;T EXIST!!  Damn it Colin you&#8217;ve destroyed my world <img src='http://www.merseysideskeptics.org.uk/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' />   I remember the day, though a little hazy.  A certain person we know (of a military disposition I might add) was buying none of what you were saying.  That said  seem to remember siding with him over you, not one of my better choices but hey there&#8217;s always going to be someone smarter than the rest in a large crowd <img src='http://www.merseysideskeptics.org.uk/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' />   </p>
<p>I would not describe myself as an Atheist, although I don&#8217;t subscribe to religion, or any other celestial none entity for that matter now that Colin has put paid to my belief in Santa.</p>
<p>Do I think the world would be a better place without it, no not really, people should be able to think what they like if it gets you through the days.   </p>
<p>If I was offered the choice of removing all the religious stories and morals that have been preached to me over the earlier years, primary school in-particular, secondary school religion consisted a single hymn practice on the first day, along with a small red copy of the New Testament, I would opt to have things left as they are.  I believe that most of the stories and ethics that were bestowed upon me have helped to shape the person I am today, and that can only be a good thing as anyone who knows me well will testify. Plus without that small red bible I would have nowhere to stash my spare car keys <img src='http://www.merseysideskeptics.org.uk/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> .</p>
<p>To sum up my point, I think that the exposure I have had to religion has been harmless, and in many ways beneficial.  Its the  self proclaimed dictators that start banging on about prayer heals death and cancer, and that washing your eyeballs in root of potato and wine will stop you going blind, that are causing the most damage and the sooner these voices are silenced from the public face of society the better.  </p>
<p>Thats my 2 pence worth, not that it makes any sense.  Enjoy and keep up the good work &#8211;Mr H&#8211;</p>
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		<title>By: Red Celt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Red Celt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 17:40:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It bugs the bejesus out of me when people tell me that I &quot;think too much&quot;. Given that there are far too many in the world who don&#039;t think *enough*... I think I&#039;m just doing my bit in redressing the balance. Which involves thinking. Which is good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It bugs the bejesus out of me when people tell me that I &#8220;think too much&#8221;. Given that there are far too many in the world who don&#8217;t think *enough*&#8230; I think I&#8217;m just doing my bit in redressing the balance. Which involves thinking. Which is good.</p>
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		<title>By: Praedico</title>
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		<dc:creator>Praedico</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 18:23:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I’ve never even really thought of myself as an atheist. It would be like giving myself a label based around the fact I have arms, or have never owned a chicken.&quot; - I thought I was the only one! Nonduckists unite!
Seriously though, this is pretty much the way I&#039;ve felt (or haven&#039;t felt, if you know what I mean) all my life. Religion has always seemed to me like something other people do, that I just don&#039;t get.
I look at Christianity and the Ancient Egyptian religion (for example) in exactly the same way: they are curious mythologies that intrigue me, but nothing more. They certainly shouldn&#039;t be taken literally.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I’ve never even really thought of myself as an atheist. It would be like giving myself a label based around the fact I have arms, or have never owned a chicken.&#8221; &#8211; I thought I was the only one! Nonduckists unite!<br />
Seriously though, this is pretty much the way I&#8217;ve felt (or haven&#8217;t felt, if you know what I mean) all my life. Religion has always seemed to me like something other people do, that I just don&#8217;t get.<br />
I look at Christianity and the Ancient Egyptian religion (for example) in exactly the same way: they are curious mythologies that intrigue me, but nothing more. They certainly shouldn&#8217;t be taken literally.</p>
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