Comments on: Anti-Abortion Debate Hits Superbowl XXXSomething

By: Gittins

Gittins — Mon, 08 Feb 2010 19:34:59 +0000

London Lulz : Abortion is an interesting issue, and very divisive. However I will say this: Anyone who says that it is men exercising authority over women’s bodies is missing the whole point.

I just think that if men were the ones to get pregnant then abortion would be totally accepted and we wouldn't be having this debate.

By: Charlie

Charlie — Mon, 08 Feb 2010 16:29:44 +0000

What a great thread bouncing all over the place! I’ve just a few points to make:
1) PETA are a bunch of nutters! They put out pics of a dog with a fishing hook in its mouth and came up with a campaign to rename fish, water kittens to come down on sports fisherman. Near my home in Colorado, USA they protested a flyfishing tournemant. Ugh! I’m a flyfisherman!
2) The term anti abortion is really a misnomer. I don’t think anyone is really pro-abortion. Those of us who get labeled as such are really pro an individuals right to make decissions about their own health.
3) One last point, you boys and girls in the UK sent your prisoners to Australia and the religious wakers to the US! No doubt Australia got the good end of the deal. They now have Dr. Rachi and we have Pat Robertson. I fear GOD is lashing out against us. Maybe we need to pray at more football games )

By: London Lulz

London Lulz — Mon, 08 Feb 2010 02:37:27 +0000

Something needs mentioning with regard to abortion (separate to the debate of whether or not to close abortion).

I agree with the above statement: “I, for one, am not a fan of abortion as a means of contraception and that there becomes a time during gestation when a foetus becomes a child. The exact time is for people way above me to decide.”

This is where most people are at. At six weeks the fetus’s brain waves can be detected, at three weeks its heart starts beating. Both brain activity and heart activity are considered signs of “life”.

To me, any end point has to consider both the woman and take into account was is being destroyed during an abortion.

By: John

John — Fri, 05 Feb 2010 20:01:52 +0000

Been reading up about this, after spotting it on The Reason Project website earlier this week. This article from Slate is spot on

http://www.slate.com/id/2243218/pagenum/all/

By: Stu

Stu — Fri, 05 Feb 2010 13:27:24 +0000

Texx – congratulations on your good news.

I, for one, am not a fan of abortion as a means of contraception and that there becomes a time during gestation when a foetus becomes a child. The exact time is for people way above me to decide.

However, I am a firm believer in a womans’ right to have full control over her own body. I also think we should look at this from a consequentialist viewpoint. Sometimes babies are born into abject poverty/misery and would suffer much more – and for much longer – than an aborted embryo/foetus.

Also, with regards to churchies being extreme, women who have been raped are denied an abortion?

By: texx

texx — Wed, 03 Feb 2010 19:29:08 +0000

I agree. I have never been able to understand how the anti-abortion lobby is pigeonholed as far-right extremists. I am both athiest and anti-abortion, and while I understand some of the pro-choice arguments, I have always felt that the civil liberties take precedence in this situation.

In short, reasonable people may disagree on when exactly a fetus is a person, but it is not extreme to believe that is at 23, or 20, or 15, or even 8 weeks (i just atteded my wife’s ultrasound at 8 weeks, and it sure looks like a person, or maybe a mermaid) – and if it is a person, it is not extreme to outlaw it’s killing.

Just because the churchies are extreme about many things does not mean all their views are extreme.

By: London Lulz

London Lulz — Tue, 02 Feb 2010 22:07:31 +0000

Abortion is an interesting issue, and very divisive. However I will say this:

Anyone who says that it is men exercising authority over women’s bodies is missing the whole point. A lot of people cannot understand the difference between a foetus at 23 weeks and one at 24 weeks (especially given that its heart starts beating at 3 weeks, brainwaves appear at 6 weeks).

Please, do not ignore a lot of intelligent, rational argument. I’m not saying that the Christians are correct, I’m saying that it’s more complex an issue than that.

By: Marsh

Marsh — Tue, 02 Feb 2010 17:19:12 +0000

Oh, yeah, PeTA are seriously nuts. Check out the Penn and Teller episode on them, they found:

- Ads comparing an abbatoir to Auschwitz and calling meat-eating ‘the holocaust on your plate’
- Statements from the PeTA leader saying that pets are modern day slaves
- Funding for the ALF, including sending an ALF arsonist on a tour of schools
- Buying and operating a giant walk-in refrigerator in order to euthanise the animals it couldn’t save – %-wise more than local animal testing labs…

Eeep, is all I can say!

Also, it’s not that I dislike American Football, I just find it funny to take the piss out of our dear American neighbours about it…!

By: Marsh

Marsh — Tue, 02 Feb 2010 16:50:53 +0000

Ah, cheers for the correction, should have done a bit more research! Sorry!

By: Gittins

Gittins — Tue, 02 Feb 2010 16:37:39 +0000

Interestingly CBS rejected a commercial for a gay dating website at the same time as allowing this anti-abortion one. It seems like they are promoting a conservative political agenda.

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Society/2010/0130/Why-Tebow-and-not-gay-dating-ad-CBS-on-Super-Bowl-hot-seat