Be Reasonable: Episode #019 – David Boyle


In this month’s episode, Marsh spoke with UFO researcher and alternative historian David Boyle, proprietor of Exhibition of the Universe in Blackpool, UK. David regularly gives talks and interviews on all manner of subjects from ancient aliens to psychic abilities and government conspiracies.

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  1. #1 by kevin o'malley on July 30, 2014 - 16:23

    Sweet mother of pearl!
    Marsh you amaze me!

  2. #2 by Craig Walner on July 30, 2014 - 18:02

    Yeah, you certainly hit the woo jackpot on this one. Marsh, how on earth did you manage not to just break up laughing hysterically on this one. I applaud your restraint.

  3. #3 by Chris on July 30, 2014 - 19:28

    Wow. Just wow. I did not know that the Federal Reserve was called the “FRS”, and we Americans must just “think” we send our income taxes to the IRS, Internal Revenue Service. I also did not know we got a new constitution after the Civil War.

    Who knew my American history and government classes in high school were so wrong? Add to that all of my science classes. And as a former structural vibration engineer I did not know that the metal bits all shaking about were just sound and light!

    I was listening while walking on a popular walking/cycle trail and I think I may have gotten a few odd looks when I literally laughed out loud.

  4. #4 by Wesley on July 31, 2014 - 02:30

    Just listened to the podcast, and now my brain hurts, but only 20% of it..

  5. #5 by Paul on July 31, 2014 - 04:57

    This guy was possibly the most extreme, aggressively credulous guest you’ve had. Not only did he apparently accept every single paranoid conspiracy, pseudoscience and delusion that exists, his personality screamed “refusal to engage with criticism”. He persistently interrupted, to the point where I’m not sure if Marsh completed a single sentence in the entire episode. What an incredibly closed minded person.

  6. #6 by Me on July 31, 2014 - 08:34

    Wow, that was ‘interesting’ award this man a nobel prize as he’s just discussed new states of mind and matter.

    “Science assumes things so here is what really happens although I have no proof whatsoever”

    If only we could see if some people had “more connected” DNA, some sort of “test” perhaps, hmm that sounds too tricky, let’s just not bother….

    I think you gave him a bit too much time to ramble though Marsh, I appreciate you aren’t here to confront but some of the things he was saying were just wrong and easily proved to be so, he did the Gish gallop though so I kind of understand why but I’d like to see more questioning of guests rather than just giving them free rein to rant 🙂

  7. #7 by Matt on July 31, 2014 - 11:17

    I would absolutely love for the Queen to turn up, demand my car off me and then drive off in an Astra…

  8. #8 by Noel on July 31, 2014 - 11:28

    Selective, patchy and muddled full-spectrum horseshit at its very finest. I applaud your restraint and professionality. Highly amusing.

  9. #9 by Alex Murdoch on July 31, 2014 - 13:12

    Barking mad! His level of cognitive dissonance is astounding!
    Good job on not laughing during the interview.

  10. #10 by Sophie on July 31, 2014 - 13:53

    As some one who studied Egyptian Archaeology I am finding this one really hard to listen to. I am only 10 minutes in…

  11. #11 by Derek on July 31, 2014 - 16:03

    Like others, I applaud your patience and decency. This is quite possibly the most insane person I have had the pleasure/displeasure of listening to on your podcast. Complete lack of respect for any view that might even consider challenging his. His desire to blurt out bs about factually inaccurate stuff like the whole brain thing, then never engage when you challenged was actually quite disgusting. Anyway, great job, keep it up

  12. #12 by Peter Silk on August 1, 2014 - 12:52

    My goodness. I’m just over halfway into this and I’m already getting tired of his patronising ‘ask question… wait for answer… launch into utter nonsense’

  13. #13 by Greg on August 1, 2014 - 13:38

    Chris :
    Wow. Just wow. I did not know that the Federal Reserve was called the “FRS”, and we Americans must just “think” we send our income taxes to the IRS, Internal Revenue Service. I also did not know we got a new constitution after the Civil War.
    Who knew my American history and government classes in high school were so wrong?

    I know, George III was very shrewd indeed if he managed to engineer–and profit from–a war that occurred 25 years after his death.

    But then, George III also started slavery in the Americas in order to destabilize the nascent nation. A lot of foresight in that man, to get Charles II to establish colonies in South Carolina and bring slaves there in order to purposefully destabilize a nascent state formed after the colonies (which mostly didn’t exist yet) rebelled some 100 years later.

    And, am I mistaken or did he say that John Brown was George III’s agent for starting the war? John Brown of the Harper’s Ferry Raid?

  14. #14 by Craig Walner on August 1, 2014 - 14:41

    Sophie :
    As some one who studied Egyptian Archaeology I am finding this one really hard to listen to. I am only 10 minutes in…

    Are you suggesting that his interpretation of hieroglyphs depicting aliens using nukes on Sodom and Gomorrah might not be accurate?

  15. #15 by Cherie Taylor on August 1, 2014 - 19:41

    This one was literally painful. 10 minute mark = building headache. Hit pause, came back next day only to have repeat at 20 minute mark. There is something about the “Oh c’mon you sheeple” people, above all others, that cause me aneurism level blood pressure readings.

    Kudos to you for calm sanity in the face of abject insanity.

  16. #16 by Paul L on August 2, 2014 - 01:47

    With some difficulty I was able to listen to the first 37 minutes; I may not be able to force myself to listen to the rest.

    Mr. Boyle sounds so lost. One nice thing about skepticism is that when many individuals practice it correctly over a long period of time at least some of their “world views” tend to converge to a common objective, evidence based target. From the sound of this interview it seems unlikely that Mr. Boyle’s “world views” would ever converge to any target at all. His theories are too vague and ephemeral to contain any meaningful information about how one might improve one’s lot. I have the impression that if he were interviewed a second time a year or so from now he would have a new collection of conspiracies and theories and that some of the ones described in this interview would be completely forgotten.

    To me he sounds very isolated and this saddens me and makes the interview hard to listen to.

  17. #17 by Stephen Darragh on August 2, 2014 - 03:18

    This episode was astounding. I felt strangely compelled to keep listening as David Boyle Gish-galloped his way through a vast list of conspiracy theories and pseudoscience – most of which I had never encountered before.

    He’s definitely the most bats**t insane guest you’ve had on so far.

  18. #18 by Malcolm on August 2, 2014 - 08:41

    Clearly Boyle is a Gish-galloper of phenomenal skill. I think this episode would have benefitted from a co-host to help break his stride.

  19. #19 by Frog on August 3, 2014 - 13:06

    that was brilliant. I was in fits of rage and hysterics.

  20. #20 by Declan on August 3, 2014 - 22:18

    I don’t have a clue what any of that was about.

    That’s the most bewildering thing I’ve encountered in a while and I watched Revenge Of The Sith on ITV last night.

  21. #21 by Declan on August 3, 2014 - 22:18

    He lost me early on with the Airfix thing.

  22. #22 by Brian on August 4, 2014 - 03:25

    Stunning. I felt so much sympathy for this fellow. He is obviously extraordinarily creative and equally obsessive. He might have put those talents to far better use if not for his inability to differentiate fact from fiction.

    His ability to incorporate so many disparate elements into his narrative (even if egregiously and aggressively misinterpreting facts along the way) was impressive. It makes me wonder if there is some disorder that forces the pattern-recognizing functions of the brain to misbehave and whether such a disorder might contribute substantially to the ranks of the conspiracy community.

    Marsh, I don’t know whether you are familiar with David Smalley and his Dogma Debate podcast, but I think you and he share a similar philosophy of patient engagement and questioning. You might appreciate his interviews. I’d also love to hear the two of you discuss your parallel experiences with conversations on the fringe.

  23. #23 by Stuart Young on August 5, 2014 - 16:19

    Which ‘aspect’ of the wizard of oz is allegorical? and which ‘aspect’ is fact?

  24. #24 by Greg on August 6, 2014 - 00:05

    Marsh, I dip my hat to you sir. I spent the entire podcast somewhere between laughing hysterically and bashing my head against the nearest wall.

    David Boyle seems to have formed the perfect unified theory of woo. I am hard pressed to find any aspect woo he has not managed to incorporate and explain away in his incredibly credulous, paranoid world view. His motto seems to be “If it is out there, it is in here”.

    Ultimately though, it just leaves me feeling sorry for people who live in such constant fear – be it from our alien overlords, shadowy secret societies, the inevitable death of a loved one “because Obama is taking away our guns” or the ever impending end times.

    What a terrible way to live.

  25. #25 by Declan on August 6, 2014 - 00:45

    His views were all over the place. And i should know – I collect vintage Action Man toys.

  26. #26 by Ben Twilly on August 7, 2014 - 19:13

    Having had a quick look at the hyrogliphic helicopters I find it odd the alien technology only looks like military helicopters produced in the last 20 years, I’m astounded that the designers of helicopters in the 50’s/60’s and 70’s didn’t have the insight to use these designs.
    I wonder what Mr Boyle would have thought they were if he’d seen the image 30 years ago?

  27. #27 by Pdubyah on August 13, 2014 - 04:37

    Gold. I was ok with the pyramids, then it got a bit weird, then it got near the end and Sound and Vision, and chakras, and then it ran out.

    Incredible roller coaster of “the everything” is interconnected.

    Thank you.

  28. #28 by Peter Hewitt on August 16, 2014 - 13:35

    David Boyle was very good value for money He seemed to cover 90% of all major woo out there. The other thing is he almost gets certain things then just goes off to extremes with nothing in between (how do we go back reattacing our own DNA? how is that a thing?). And the basic deal seems to be Science doesn’t know everything therefore these scratches on the wall over here must be the answer. Some one need to introduce him to Ocamm’s Razor pronto

  29. #29 by Leszek on August 20, 2014 - 03:20

    My goodness… the poor man’s idea of how the world works is so simple and narrow and unimaginative, and yet filled with suffering and oppression.

  30. #30 by Pete Robinson on August 28, 2014 - 22:25

    Wow.
    Now I believe in ‘out- of- body’ experiences. I think I had one…

    That was truly the most unjudgemental interview I have ever heard.

    (Emphasis on the ‘unjudge’ part?’ 🙂

  31. #31 by Kate on October 20, 2014 - 22:45

    Wow! Fantastic episode. I will have to listen to it again this evening when I share it with my husband.

    I actually liked that the host wasn’t able to interrupt the guest very often because Mr. Boyle’s rambling inter-connected stream of consciousness was the most effective rebuttal. Taken one or two sentences at a time, one might thoughtfully consider his points. But taken all at once, this guy comes off as a raving nutter!

  32. #32 by Simon on November 9, 2014 - 05:48

    How, in the name of all that is good and unholy, did you keep calm in the face of a torrent of…. that? The Germans probably have a word for it but Webster’s doesn’t.

  33. #33 by pat ford on January 13, 2015 - 19:33

    very irritating person — dominating, overriding, rude on that account, host has no opportunity to take him to task as the interviewee isn’t willing to listen to anyone else. Dogmatic, infuriating, a complete twat.

  34. #34 by pat ford on January 13, 2015 - 19:38

    pat ford :
    very irritating person — dominating, overriding, rude on that account, host has no opportunity to take him to task as the interviewee isn’t willing to listen to anyone else. Dogmatic, infuriating, a complete twat.

    even if he was right on some of the points — anyone that keeps saying ‘right?’ as if we can’t understand english is enough to put anyone ‘right’ off.

  35. #35 by QuitEstVeritas on May 26, 2016 - 19:57

    What the F*** What the F*** What the F***
    It’s almost hard to believe that people can be this crazy.
    This interview is beyond words.

    Apophenia /æpoʊˈfiːniə/ is the human tendency to perceive meaningful patterns within random data.

  36. #36 by Jermain Bolton on August 18, 2016 - 03:51

    When we don’t know or understand something we make fun of it Mr Boyle has knowledge some things may sound crazy but visit his shop I done the tour today was ment to b 3 hours I stayed nearly 6 awesome….research some if war he said u may b surprised to c many have substance but until u do keep a.open mind and he truth IS out there

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