Be Reasonable: Episode #020 – Christopher Doyle


Joining Marsh this month is Christopher Doyle, director of the International Healing Foundation – a group which controversially aims to offer their help to people suffering from unwanted same-sex attraction.

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  1. #1 by Declan on September 8, 2014 - 00:00

    It’s not often I’m even slightly negative about any MSS podcast, but I couldn’t even concentrate on listening to this fool.

    I know that’s not in the spirit of this show, but listening to this guy is like listening to white noise.

  2. #2 by James B on September 10, 2014 - 00:09

    I thought you did quite a good job here it was an interesting edition of the podcast.

    I thought it was quite telling that Doyle said he believed sexuality was fluid yet still talked about being ex-gay rather than say calling it ‘currently identifying as heterosexual’ or something like that.

    He also talked about The Royal College of Medicine advising that people were not born homosexual, I assume he was talking about the The Royal College of Psychiatrists who say:

    “The Royal College of Psychiatrists considers that sexual orientation is determined by a combination of biological and postnatal environmental factors.There is no evidence to go beyond this and impute any kind of choice into the origins of sexual orientation.” (http://www.rcpsych.ac.uk/pdf/PS02_2014.pdf)

    Which is quite different to what he said. He got a laugh out of me when he said that gay scientists were in cahoots with the liberal media to hide ‘facts’ about homosexuality. In the end I think he came across as another fundamentalist Christian who wants to ‘cure’ homosexuals but just wraps it up in different language to distract people from his real intentions.

  3. #3 by A on September 10, 2014 - 20:47

    One of the most interesting.
    It can be very easy to write off anti-gay prejudice as the ramblings of ill informed firebrand bigots but it was interesting to hear someone appear so eloquent and attempt to divorce the religious element from his utterances.
    Or he truly does believe what he says making it ever so more interesting.

  4. #4 by Declan on September 12, 2014 - 18:09

    You’re very right A and I do commend Marsh for this. I just couldn’t take it. I’ve downloaded the episode again and will listen to it when I’m in a more tolerant ( as in ‘prepared to tolerate’ ) mood.

  5. #5 by D on October 9, 2014 - 02:49

    Of all the people that I have heard interviewed on the show, this guy is the only one I wouldn’t really call crazy. His semantics come across anti-gay, but what he says he does seems reasonable enough. Very interesting.

    Granted, I listened to this directly after the UFO/alternative historian guy, so maybe that biased the view of the interview.

  6. #6 by Kevin on October 31, 2014 - 15:26

    Pardon me if I missed it, but there was one question that I wish would have been asked:
    Would Christopher Doyle take on a client who was currently identifying as a heterosexual but wished to identify as homosexual? Would he guide them along that journey?

    This is a very interesting discussion and I can understand that some people may wish to ease their own troubles (imposed by intolerant societal pressures) by attempting to quell desires. I think it’s a very human thing to want to fit in and be accepted. The problem is that they shouldn’t have to change, rather it’s the stigma that must. So, I’m torn between saying outright that this guy is doing more harm than good and that this is just someone trying to guide another human being towards an easier lifestyle (even though it should be unnecessary).
    It’s a difficult discussion to have as there is no clear answer to the question of what proportion of genetics:environment plays a role in determining gender identity and sexuality. Does anyone have any insight into the latest research on this?

  7. #7 by Luke on February 26, 2015 - 05:39

    This guy was very eloquent and seemed very reasonable. His use of language and his composure seemed to genuinely separate himself from the religious motivations for conversion therapy (or whatever it’s called).

    Unfortunately I’m ignorant on the topic so if his position is utter bullshit, please educate me. Also, in reply to #6 above, Mr. Marsh asked Mr. Doyle very early in the interview whether he would help a heterosexual turn gay if they asked to (I’m paraphrasing), and Mr. Doyle said he had done so for 1 or 2 patients in the past.

    I am fully in support of LGBT rights, and the podcasts coverage of the weighting of nature vs. nurture on sexuality and the ethics of trying to “adjust” or “change” someone’s sexual preferences was interesting to me.

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