InKredulous: Episode #035


Episode 35 of our satirical comedy podcast.

Your host is Andy Wilson (@InKredulosi) of the Merseyside Skeptics Society and co-organiser of QED conference.

Appearing this time are:

  • Eli Bosnick of The Scathing Atheist podcast and leader of the Magnets, a secretive and sinister magic group based in New York (@elibosnick)
  • Michael Marshall from Skeptics with a K, Be Reasonable and The Good Thinking Society (@MrMMarsh)
  • Dr*T former blogger at the Thinking is Dangerous blog and fine guest on many podcasts (@Dr_star_T)

As ever, thanks for listening and for all the lovely comments.

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  1. #1 by WhiningSkeptic on July 28, 2015 - 15:34

    Finally!

    And only five months since the last one; I’m thrilled to see you guys are upping the pace!

    Thanks for an awesome show.

  2. #2 by Declan on July 28, 2015 - 23:04

    I remember this show! Isn’t it repeated on Radio4extra now?

    And, thankyou Sirs.

  3. #3 by Kitty on July 29, 2015 - 04:02

    Omg. Funniest podcast in *Episodes*
    Touching cloth the whole time. Well done boys.

  4. #4 by Liz on July 29, 2015 - 14:38

    am loving this! Eli is hilarious– love the whole group dynamic. More, please!

  5. #5 by astrotimer on July 29, 2015 - 20:37

    Is Andy and Bob Novella from skeptics guide related.

  6. #6 by Yves on August 1, 2015 - 00:20

    You guys are right, Tim Hunt doesn’t deserve any apology. After all, he did try to make (in all seriousness) a stupid, ill conceived and ill delivered joke. And, in exchange, the internet mob, in all their magnanimity, *only* shamed him and defamed him until he felt obligated to resign, thus bringing his career to a ruinous end. Funny no one mentioned that.

    I am sick and tired of these Internet mobs who appear anytime anybody slips up and says or does something stupid. These mobs of easily offended professional victims who can only appeased by sacrificing the life, dignity and career of the offender to them, while also reminding old white men how terrible people they all are. And worse, any excuses the person might make, any call to rationality, any mention that it might just not be such a big deal and that people sometimes screw up, only serves to bolster the beliefs of the relentless mob. And yet somehow, you laugh at conspiracy theorists who use the same logic to justify their beliefs.

    And right now, you are lauding this monster, praising it’s actions while completely ignoring it’s devastating effects.

  7. #7 by Theophrastus on August 3, 2015 - 23:27

    So Dr. T is making the point that sexist comments are not OK even in the context of a joke by making a bunch of sexist comments in the context of a joke. Will he get fired from his job now?

  8. #8 by Dr*T on August 4, 2015 - 10:11

    Yves – I hope lots of people don’t have the same view as you and decide to come on here and voice their anger, because then you would be the originator of an online mob. That would be awkward.

    Threophrastus – the point was (hopefully) more subtle than that. Just about all the sexist language/comments in the bit are expressions I’ve heard people (who wouldn’t describe themselves as sexist) use. When those individual (and supposedly mild/minor/lighthearted) examples are collated it becomes pretty obvious how the mild/minor/lighthearted comments are the support structures of sexism.

  9. #9 by Theophrastus on August 4, 2015 - 23:27

    Is ‘I was making fun of sexism’ then a valid reason to voice sexist remarks?

  10. #10 by Dr*T on August 5, 2015 - 14:25

    Have a good old think about it all by yourself and see how you get on.

  11. #11 by Yves on August 6, 2015 - 01:11

    Dr*T :
    Yves – I hope lots of people don’t have the same view as you and decide to come on here and voice their anger, because then you would be the originator of an online mob. That would be awkward.

    Well you can be sure that if it happens, I’ll condemn it just as ferociously. πŸ˜‰

    But then, your reply seems to indicate to me that you didn’t get my point. There’s nothing wrong with criticizing Tim Hunt for he said. It was, after all, monumentally stupid. And your bit was in fact quite funny and witty. It’s what followed that I have a problem with…

    Praising a small part of the reaction while completely side-stepping the overlapping over-reaction, his apologies, the fact that it provoked his retirement (and basically ruined what was left of his career) and the fact it turned out the person who first reported this was not quite honest strikes me as an attempt to make the reaction to Tim’s speech seem much more noble than it actually was through lies of omission.

    Ignoring the stupid actions of people you agree with serves as tacit approval of said actions. Especially since they can turn around and see you agreeing with their motives.

  12. #12 by Cappy Charlie on August 7, 2015 - 23:25

    Utterly hilarious, I doff my cap to all involved.

  13. #13 by Dr*T on August 12, 2015 - 21:15

    Yves:
    “Quite funny” – I’ll take that πŸ˜‰ thankyou….

    ” the fact that it provoked his retirement (and basically ruined what was left of his career)”

    Um… where did you get that from?

    Overall, you could hardly move in the media for comments about it – if we’d tried to pick apart the whole shebang, it would have
    1. Taken over the whole podcast
    2. Not been very good as it’s not what the podcast is about.
    So, we tried to find a novel angle πŸ™‚
    T

  14. #14 by A Good Egg on August 29, 2015 - 12:45

    @Yves,

    Sorry man, but Tim Hunt was not joking and he has said as much on the record.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-33090022

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