Be Reasonable: Episode #049 – Rodney Cluff

This episode, Marsh is joined by Rodney Cluff from, and author of World Top Secret: Our Earth IS Hollow.

  1. #1 by BartR on February 26, 2018 - 22:01

    Well, I never… this was something of a Russian doll of beliefs with the layers becoming ever stranger.

  2. #2 by Tony Wall on February 26, 2018 - 22:15

    What a comprehensive list of conspiracy theories iced towards the end with religion. The level of credulity in this man is breathtaking.

  3. #3 by Kevin MacLeod on February 26, 2018 - 22:42

    Rodney called me (accidentally) a few weeks ago. I had very similar conversation with him – heavier on the auroras, and lighter on the gravity.

    He asked me how the auroras work, which is a thing I actually know and I explained it. Rodney countered with the inner sun streaming thing. Clearly, both explanations can’t be correct, so I asked him how we could figure out which was right.
    I don’t think he understood the concept of “correct”. As long as there is an explanation – no need to go farther.

    I feel really bad for Rodney. There are real problems there. Our conversation started out kind of fun, but then I started understanding that he is absolutely sincere. It turned a lot more sad after that.

  4. #4 by Kitty on February 26, 2018 - 22:56

    Oh, Marsh… I’m merely minutes into this interview, and, my God, boy! Do you have some remarkable patience!
    Not only was this man Demonstrably Misguided , but Highly Deluded, and Just. Plain. Wrong!

    Also, I’d love to know why these particular flavour of *enthusiasts* cannot work in SI Units ➡️ I nearly hit my head, every time he mentioned “miles”; etc!

    “Apples grow as big as your head!” – Oh Marsh, I don’t know how you do this & don’t envy you, your job! Another great//bonkers show!

  5. #5 by Mike Ellis on February 27, 2018 - 02:16

    Sometimes it’s hard to even get to the wacky content because the guest is such an excruciatingly poor speaker. Theorists aren’t always communicators.

  6. #6 by Erik on February 27, 2018 - 06:33

    This episode is just plain sad.

    i don’t know why you even bothered. seriously.

  7. #7 by Olivia on February 27, 2018 - 12:24

    Please tell me he’s not sincere! I thought “it was aliens from Venus” was when we jumped the shark completely. Then came “Hitler wasn’t that bad” by which point we’d clearly reached peak deluded. Then we got to “the Jews funded the Nazis”…

    (Comments in quote marks aren’t actual quotes, I just need to make it clear they’re not me.)

    I’m sometimes amazed and confused by how people can have such different sets of facts. And, being 2018, I’m also kinda terrified by different, shall we say alternative, facts.

  8. #8 by Declan McCafferty on February 27, 2018 - 14:02

    I had to stop listening here. I hope this guest is safe and well.

  9. #9 by Cappy Charlie on February 27, 2018 - 16:05

    Started off playing my usual game of Conspiracy Theory Bingo but then the whole thing lurched off in to the territory of uneasy listening. Depressing on multiple levels. Got to say that as always Marsh was polite and respectful, even as the conversation spiralled further in to madness. Normally I listen a couple of times to each episode, think once will do me this time.

  10. #10 by Andy Brice on February 28, 2018 - 13:35

    Wow. That started off eccentric, raced through crazy and end up somewhere quite nasty. The interviewer is to be commended for his patience.

    I was desperate for you to ask him whether he had been to the ‘hole’ and if not, why not. It shouldn’t be that hard to charter a plane from Greenland to 84 degrees North.

    Also I was fascinated to know how he thought people from the 1500s had managed to make it through an 800 mile deep cave system. How did they see, with burning torches? How did they carry enough food?

  11. #11 by Jim on February 28, 2018 - 23:47

    Hang on, so Jews left the Middle East and set up shop in the Hollow Earth, meanwhile other Jews ran the rest of the planet into the ground and then goaded Hitler into being naughty. Then some Venusians showed up and aided the Nazis but nobody else(i.e. not even the Hollow Earth Jews) and made them promise not to use the tech on weapons. The Nazis agreed, lost the war and then fled into the Hollow Earth where they presumably live side by side with the now giant Hollow Earth Jews.
    I did wonder at one stage if he was trolling but then he mentioned the Bible and Holocaust denial and then it became clear that he believed this nonsense.

  12. #12 by pdubyah on March 1, 2018 - 05:30

    I was like, ok, that’s good, a donut, and a self centering sun and apples the size of head, and you can get there in submarines, and the northern/southerm lights being gas vents, and of course Hitler was a nice guy, Space ships and then the Bible of course which is where it lost creditability for me. Apart from that this was top notch.

  13. #13 by Donna on March 5, 2018 - 11:00

    Oh my. That went from kooky to alt-righty in a hurry.

  14. #14 by Mike on March 7, 2018 - 10:24

    “Anti-banker technology”?

    An ever-so-slightly facetious remark, which gives us a brief glimpse of Marshy’s internal thought process, at the same time revealing that he is perhaps not quite the Dalai Lama-esque practitioner of patience that we had once thought.

  15. #15 by Kernan on March 9, 2018 - 01:53

    The “Bankers.” Right. This guy is worst of the worst. I have no idea how you didn’t just explode and hang up on this pathetic, broken-brained git.

  16. #16 by Steve on March 9, 2018 - 21:39

    Wow…just wow…. I was staring at my phone in disbelief. I told my 10 year old daughter ” This guy on a podcast says that the earth is hollow and that there’s another sun at the center of the earth…and people live there.” She facepalmed, shook her head and said “That’s soooooo stupid.”

  17. #17 by Brian Coughlan on March 10, 2018 - 11:16

    Wow. This guy took all his bullshit on board in in the 1960’s and has not varied it since.

  18. #18 by Dave P on March 16, 2018 - 19:22

    For most of this episode my thoughts where “what a cook” with his rag bag of conspiracy theories and crackpot science he can not be serious, and I was quietly chuckling to myself, but then we got onto holocaust denial and it was suddenly serious. If he really believes this tosh he is to be pitted not mocked as I was doing for most of the episode.

  19. #19 by Joey on June 14, 2020 - 04:21

    Hollow Earth is real. Don’t know about Cluff.

  20. #20 by Doz on July 6, 2021 - 14:27

    I just listened to this episode. It’s funny, but I’m pretty sure I can hear Marsh’s facial expression through the silence.

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