Be Reasonable: Episode #055 – Darren Nesbitt


Joining Marsh for this episode is musician and Flat Earth proponent, Darren Nesbitt.

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  1. #1 by Richard on September 5, 2018 - 07:37

    Darren Nesbitt
    The reason you won’t feel any motion when on planet earth is that there is essentially no acceleration in the earth’s spin. It is in contact motion at a constant velocity. Unlike a train, car or aircraft it is not accelerating or braking, so no motion is ‘felt’. Unlike a train on a track, a car on a road or an aircraft through undulations in the air, earth is spinning in the smooth void of space. No bumps, no change in velocity (acceleration) and hence no motion felt.
    Your theory is nothing more than a theory based on the gaps in your knowledge.

  2. #2 by Rob on September 5, 2018 - 12:41

    At 41:00, talking about the Earth’s surface dragging the atmosphere with it: “If that was true, you wouldn’t be able to throw a ball through air. The air would go along with the ball.”
    Air does “go along with the ball” – air at the ball’s surface sticks to the ball and travels with it. It’s called the “boundary layer”. Boundary layers are incredibly important in aerodynamics and affect things like drag. For example, see https://www.princeton.edu/~asmits/Bicycle_web/blunt.html

  3. #3 by Rob on September 5, 2018 - 13:22

    At 49:00: “How they [Apollo astronauts] went to the toilet?”
    Oh, ask and ye shall find. For weeing, they used condom-like cuffs connected to bags.
    https://airandspace.si.edu/collection-objects/pouch-storage-roll-urine-cuffs-collins-apollo-11
    https://airandspace.si.edu/collection-objects/collection-and-transfer-assembly-urine-schirra-apollo-7

    For pooing, they used these adhesive arse bags.
    https://airandspace.si.edu/node/33242

    NASA did later hold a competition to design a better toilet solution, as crapping in plastic bags wasn’t considered a desirable solution for long duration space flights.

  4. #4 by Jerry on September 5, 2018 - 22:27

    Re: The football. The ball definitely does drag the air around with it, and that’s how you can curve a ball when throwing it. The problem with trying to do the experiment with the ball is that the ball itself doesn’t have enough gravity to pull the air towards it to make enough of an atmosphere to show the effect. If you put the ball in a wind tunnel and spin it, it’ll drag the air around but it won’t do the “perfect” dragging because the whole thing is embedded in more air further away. You could put the ball in a near vacuum, but then you wouldn’t have enough air near the ball to see any effect because the ball’s gravity is too weak.

    I liked the bit where he said there are literally no photos of the Earth from space then a bit later claimed that they were faked. Also the reason that there are literally no experiments which show that the Earth is moving through space is because the concept is meaningless – motion only has meaning relative to something else. There are loads of experiments which show the Earth moving relative to other things.

  5. #5 by Malcolm on September 6, 2018 - 00:14

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zyq5eN9C4Cc

    That took me what, 10 seconds on google.

    Mr Nesbit doesn’t strike me as an honest broker. Investigating doesn’t me looking at the things you want to see and ignoring the things you don’t.

  6. #6 by Patrick M on September 6, 2018 - 02:16

    Richard :
    earth is spinning in the smooth void of space. No bumps, no change in velocity (acceleration) and hence no motion felt.

    I thought the reason you didn’t feel the Earth’s spin was the same reason you don’t tend to feel your clothes or your socks all the time. There’s a sensation that your mind just sort of blocks out because paying attention to the sensation causes more detrimental stress than ignoring it so you basically feel other motion, but not the motion you evolved on.

    There’s no one born and raised their entire life on a living moving train that never stops. So of course you don’t get that acclimated.

    Maybe we’re both saying the same thing but in different ways. I don’t know if I’m helping or hurting lol.

  7. #7 by Patrick M on September 6, 2018 - 02:22

    So if you want to, say prove whether the earth is flat or not, you could do what these people did. Go Pro, GPS attached, weather balloon, go through hours worth of footage, find out once and for all.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9CjjbauSvBE

  8. #8 by Chris on September 7, 2018 - 01:25

    Oh good grief. I have been on trips and we had family visits, so I am very far behind on podcasts. This is going to wait in the queue for a while until I feel like laughing/screaming at another person without any understanding of basic freshman physics.

    Inertia is a real thing.

  9. #9 by Chris on September 7, 2018 - 03:18

    Newton’s first law is the “Law of Inertia”: https://www.physicsclassroom.com/class/newtlaws/Lesson-1/Newton-s-First-Law

    So the first law is stated (from that link): “An object at rest stays at rest and an object in motion stays in motion with the same speed and in the same direction unless acted upon by an unbalanced force.”

    This is why Earth’s atmosphere travels with the spin of the planet’s rotation. This is actually high school physics.

  10. #10 by Matthew on September 7, 2018 - 03:20

    “Have you ever seen a rock reflect light..”

    I mean that is generally how sight works.

    “”..like it glows.”

    I’m guessing Darren has never been caving. Different rocks have different albedo some one them do appear like the moon when they reflect light while being surrounded by empty cave.

  11. #11 by Nick on September 7, 2018 - 14:24

    Aside from the origin of April Fools Day not being anywhere as clear cut as he claimed, there’s a slight false equivalency with disagreements on what day is arbitrarily chosen for the start of a new year, an essentially man-made concept (and we still have people adhering to different calendars), and a provable and fixed shape of something.

    And saying spring makes sense as the start of year because that’s when everything starts heating up and life begins again – yeah, if you live in the UK! Otherwise, April as a start of the new year makes about as much sense as January 1. In fact, if the seasons WERE the same everywhere in the world, that could well indicate a flat earth. As it is…

  12. #12 by Jerry on September 8, 2018 - 11:01

    The reason you don’t feel the spin of the Earth is because the acceleration needed to make you go in a circle is towards the centre, which is the direction of gravity. The only thing you would feel is that gravity is very, very slightly less than it would be if the Earth weren’t spinning. Since you can’t compare the two, you don’t feel anything.

  13. #13 by Linda on September 8, 2018 - 21:21

    It’s a shame Marsh didn’t ask Darren WHY everybody is lying about the shape of the earth.

  14. #14 by Peter on September 13, 2018 - 01:16

    Linda :
    It’s a shame Marsh didn’t ask Darren WHY everybody is lying about the shape of the earth.

    I wish he’d pressed Nesbitt a little more with his unsubstantiated, uninformed statements. He can’t find a rock that reflects light? The Principle was an excellent movie? I do admire the interviewer’s patience. But he did let Nesbitt hang himself when using the bible as supporting evidence.

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