Skeptics with a K: Episode #252


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  1. #1 by John on June 14, 2019 - 11:13

    It felt like there was a very jarring piece of prejudice in this episode. To go from tiptoeing around gender by saying “people with wombs” instead of “women” to “man, those baby boomers have a terrible set of prejudices about millennials” was pretty strange and disconcerting.

    It was expressed more than once, and we’ve had it in previous episodes. It’d be good if you can examine your prejudices in this respect, and please remember, we measure if language is prejudices based on how it’s perceived, not how it was intended.

    There is no need to be so unkind.

  2. #2 by Tom Williamson on June 14, 2019 - 12:45

    Right, let’s generalise about generations in the UK shall we?

    Starting with the golden generation: they fought against the Nazis, liberated Europe, and immediately afterwards kicked out Churchill and brought in the Labour government that set up the NHS and the welfare state.

    The baby boomer generation, the one born in the years after the war, grew up with these advantages. They had a funded NHS, benefits, affordable and social housing, free university education and final salary pension schemes.

    Each generation is supposed to make things easier for the generation that follows. The boomer generation has shafted millennials. They’ve introduced tuition fees, under invested in the NHS, wrecked the housing market so that homeownership has plummeted, and as a final insult they’ve shat Brexit on us before they die.

    Where am I wrong?

  3. #3 by John on June 14, 2019 - 22:25

    Where are you wrong? How about the bit where you imagine that you can define a group which encompasses massive diversity of background and experience, defined by arbitrary dates, and blame them en masse for the actions of a few of them?

    Do you do the same with Muslims, or is that somehow different to you?

  4. #4 by Black Knight No. 3 on June 19, 2019 - 21:11

    @John: but it’s so easy to create some imaginary groups, decide which ones are good and which are bad and then, hey presto, heroes and villains can be labelled based on their groups. No thought needed at all!

    Yes, the somewhat ironic prejudice was there for all to hear; Marsh is intelligent and articulate but often has these blind spots when it comes to political (small p) matters. It’s usually me pointing it out!

    It doesn’t surprise me that you got Tom Williamson responding with a vapid reply; he seems to exhibit an immune response whenever his favourite pod-caster is criticised.

    We all have our biases and we all make mistakes, putting them on a podcast for anyone to hear invites that criticism, Marsh can choose to heed it or ignore it as he sees fit and that will depend on whether he has the maturity and wisdom needed for such introspection.

  5. #5 by Tom Williamson on June 20, 2019 - 16:20

    What exactly is the charge being levelled at Marsh here?

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