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		<title>QED Announces Tickets and Speakers For 2012</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Aug 2011 09:30:24 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Marsh</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Earlier this year, we ran the highly-successful QED conference with our friends over at the Greater Manchester Skeptics. It was such fun that we&#8217;ve decided to do it again, in March 2012. Tickets are on sale now, and what follows is a formal announcement from the full QED team: QED Tickets: On Sale Now! &#160; [...]]]></description>
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<div>Earlier this year, we ran the highly-successful <a href="http://www.qedcon.org/">QED conference</a> with our friends over at the Greater Manchester Skeptics. It was such fun that we&#8217;ve decided to do it again, in March 2012. Tickets are on sale now, and what follows is a formal announcement from the full QED team:</div>
<h2>QED Tickets: On Sale Now!</h2>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<div>With the next ‘QED: Question. Explore. Discover.’ taking place in March 2012, the QED team are pleased to reveal eight of the speakers lined up to feature on the bill for our second ever weekend celebration of science and critical thinking, hosted once more in The Piccadilly Hotel, Manchester on March 10th-11th, 2012. The exciting program of speakers will include:</div>
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<li><strong>Joe Nickell</strong>, one of the most widely-respected and experienced paranormal researchers of all time, with a phenomenal investigative history include discovering the techniques behind the making of the Turin Shroud and uncovering the true story behind the Amityville house.</li>
<li>Recently retired from his post as Professor of Complementary Medicine at the University of Exeter, <strong>Edzard Ernst</strong> has long been a tireless and diligent researcher into all manner of alternative modalities, admirably exposing the pseudoscience at their core &#8211; not least of which in his book Trick Or Treatment, co-authored with 2011 QED speaker Simon Singh.</li>
<li><strong>Maryam Namazie</strong> is a human rights activist, commentator and broadcaster. Spokesperson for both the One Law for All Campaign against Sharia Law in Britain and the Council of Ex-Muslims of Britain, in 2005 Maryam was named Secularist of the Year by the National Secular Society and has campaigned tirelessly on secular issues.</li>
<li><strong>David Aaronovitch</strong> is an author, broadcaster, and journalist who has enthralled audiences up and down the country with his thorough debunking of conspiracy theories &#8211; a topic comprehensively covered in his 2009 book, Voodoo Histories.</li>
<li>Recently-appointed Managing Editor of The Skeptic magazine, <strong>Deborah Hyde</strong> has been writing about the supernatural for nearly two decades. A makeup effects coordinator in the film industry by day, Deborah&#8217;s extensive knowledge of the macabre and esoteric folklores of cultures around the world has thrilled Skeptics in the Pub groups across the country.</li>
<li><strong>Steve Jones</strong> is former Head of the Department of Genetics, Evolution and Environment at University College London and has written and lectured about science to a general audience for over fifteen years. Steve also recently led the BBC Trust review of impartiality and accuracy in the BBC&#8217;s coverage of science, concluding the media often offers undue weight to fringe beliefs.</li>
<li><strong><strong>Sarah Angliss</strong></strong> is trained in electroacoustics, music and robotics, combining all three to create original sound installations, exhibits and live performances that mix cutting-edge science with vintage sound technology and stories from the history of science.</li>
<li><strong>Ian Ridpath</strong> has been a full-time writer, editor, broadcaster, and lecturer on astronomy and space for almost 30 years. With over 40 books to his name, Ian has an encyclopaedic knowledge of UFO folklore, and in 1986 was commended in the British Science Writers Awards for his investigation and explanation of Britain’s most famous UFO case in Rendlesham Forest.</li>
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<div>This list is of course by no means complete, and further guests will be announced in the coming weeks, as will our program for the break-out room &#8211; which proved highly popular at the first event.</div>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<div><strong>You can book your place at QED 2012 now</strong>, with tickets a very-reasonable £89 (or £68 with a valid student ID). Once more, we&#8217;ll also be offering a limited number of places for our exclusive gala dinner, where you can dine with our fantastic speakers for just £45.</div>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<div>For those with altruistic tendencies, there is also the option of paying a £10 voluntary donation directly to good causes, bringing the ticket price to the same as for QED 2011 and adding a little extra cash into the charity pot, which will once again be split between two great causes: <strong>Sense About Science</strong> and the <strong>National Autistic Society</strong>.</div>
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<div>After the huge amount of fun we had hosting the first QED, we&#8217;re all hugely excited about what 2012 has in store &#8211; <a href="http://www.qedcon.org/">so book your ticket now, and we&#8217;ll see you there</a>!</div>
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		<title>Ernst Praises Hahnemann?</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jun 2010 14:22:35 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Marsh</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Resident MSS Doctor and Skeptics in the Pub goer Selva shares his views on Edzard Ernst and Samuel Hahnemann&#8230; In a recent Pulse magazine article professor of complementary medicine Edzard Ernst praised the founder of homeopathy, Samuel Hahnemann. “In my view, Samuel Hahnemann, the German doctor who invented homeopathy about 200 years ago, is a [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Resident MSS Doctor and Skeptics in the Pub goer Selva shares his views on Edzard Ernst and Samuel Hahnemann&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>In <a href="http://www.pulsetoday.co.uk/story.asp?sectioncode=20&amp;storycode=4126306&amp;c=2" target="_blank">a recent Pulse magazine article</a> professor of complementary medicine Edzard Ernst praised the founder of <a href="http://www.1023.org.uk/" target="_blank">homeopathy</a>, Samuel Hahnemann.</p>
<blockquote><p><em>“In my view, Samuel Hahnemann, the German doctor who invented homeopathy about 200 years ago, is a man who should be celebrated.”</em></p></blockquote>
<p>Can this be true? Surely one of the most respected proponents of evidence based medicine cannot be advocating homeopathy as a treatment.</p>
<p>In his article he cites the hammering homeopathy has received over the last year including the House of Commons select committee&#8217;s damning report, the BMA describing homeopathy as “witchcraft”, and my particular favourite &#8211; comedians taking the “homeopathic mickey” (sadly 10.23&#8242;s not insignificant role doesn&#8217;t get a mention).</p>
<p>Fortunately normal service resumes further in the article &#8211; to quote Prof Ernst:</p>
<blockquote><p><em>“His primary achievement is not to have developed homeopathy. His true achievement is that, in the course of doing this, he has shown us how important non-specific effects &#8211; often also called the &#8216;art&#8217; of medicine &#8211; are in terms of getting patients better.</em> <em>To put it bluntly, Hahnemann has taught us that patients can improve even when we give them nothing but placebos.”</em></p></blockquote>
<p>This somewhat conciliatory line is admirable, but I think also provides the crack which has allowed homeopathy to be practiced for so many years as an NHS treatment. Most doctors either haven&#8217;t been aware of the implausibility of homeopathy, or have been happy for other practitioners to provide placebos to patients, in the knowledge that there is some perceived benefit. Homeopathy is often given for intractable problems, where EBM doesn&#8217;t always provide sufficient benefit. As Prof Ernst says, the act of being empathic and providing sufficient time is often enough to make the patient feel better.<span id="more-665"></span></p>
<p>I agree with the professor on the benefits of offering empathy and time, but I don&#8217;t believe this is the entirety of what homeopathy offers. Firstly it requires a degree of dishonesty on the part of the clinician who either is consciously giving a placebo treatment, or is deluding himself that there is efficacy in the homeopathic treatment. There is also a degree of collusion between practitioner and patient, where both may be aware of the lie, but have to go through the ritual, in order for the placebo effect to work. This ritual extends to the ridiculous dilution and succussion process.</p>
<p>The degree of self delusion is apparent in the responses to Prof Ernst&#8217;s post. One homeopath writes:</p>
<blockquote><p><em>“a medical system that has spread to all continents of the world through little more than word of mouth- ie the recommendation of satisfied patients- to the point where it is now the second most widely used medical system in the world&#8217; I think these … qualifications speak for themselves for it is a ludicrous supposition that homoeopathy could have gained such widespread approval on the strength of nothing more than the placebo effect.”</em></p></blockquote>
<p>No need for evidence here then, just lay on the self delusion with a trowel. Further on he states:</p>
<blockquote><p><em>“I believe it is part of the code of ethics of doctors in this country that they do not publicly decry fellow professionals. The fact that some junior members of the BMA broke their own code in order to criticise fellow doctors who have undergone full professional training then undertaken further training in order to become members of the Faculty of Homoeopaths should be deplored and is certainly evidence of a lowering of professional standards.”</em></p></blockquote>
<p>This last point is especially sad, as the junior doctors were not criticising specific homeopathic doctors, but the entire implausible tenet that they depend on.</p>
<p>Hats off then to Hahnemann for helping to expose the placebo effect, which through double blinded placebo controlled trials can be dialled out of the equation. The short term gains achieved by being dishonest with patients cannot be helpful in the long run. Despite time constraints, I would hope that doctors would always provide empathy and sufficient time required to deal with their patients. Providing an explanation of their condition, and being honest about what can (or cannot) be done to help them is much more laudable, empowering and ultimately more beneficial.</p>
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		<title>The Doctor Says: There May Be Trouble Ahead</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2010 10:00:01 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Marsh</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dr Selva Rasaiah is a regular at Merseyside Skeptics in the Pub. Here, in response to my support for real medicine, he takes an inside look at the NHS, and doesn&#8217;t like what he sees&#8230; The other day, I read Marsh&#8217;s latest post &#8216;Real Medicine: I Wonder&#8217; with interest &#8211; as (hopefully!) one of the “good [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Dr Selva Rasaiah is a regular at Merseyside Skeptics in the Pub. Here, in response to my support for real medicine, he takes an inside look at the NHS, and doesn&#8217;t like what he sees&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>The other day, I read <a href="http://www.merseysideskeptics.org.uk/2010/01/i-wonder-real-medicine/">Marsh&#8217;s latest post &#8216;Real Medicine: I Wonder&#8217; </a>with interest &#8211; as (hopefully!) one of the “good doctors” he wrote of, I would like to report all is well within the NHS. Unfortunately I can’t. Virtually all the comments on his piece were positive about the use of conventional medicine, but an important point was raised regarding the care of osteoarthritic hip pain. Currently the options for “wear and tear” arthritis are very limited, the options being:</p>
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<li>do nothing</li>
<li>take painkillers</li>
<li>hip replacement surgery.</li>
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<p>The only definitive treatment is option 3, which for most patients is a life changing procedure. Unfortunately it has a limited lifespan, and in general is only offered to more severely affected patients. As this condition can start in the 50’s or younger, we have the difficult task of informing people that they will have to put up with the pain for many years before surgery will be considered. The problem with evidence based medicine (EBM) is that it leaves lots of gaps, which CAM (complementary and alternative medicine) is more than happy to fill.</p>
<p>On a daily basis, we have to inform patients that their self limiting viral illness/gastroenteritis etc. will not respond to antibiotics. It is so easy to skip the explanation and just dish out the pills, but with the advent of MRSA and other drug resistant nasties, the finger is pointing more and more at “irresponsible GP’s” and their over-prescribing of antibiotics as the cause of this new epidemic. How tempting it would therefore be to prescribe a harmless placebo that might make people feel better, psychologically if not physically. There is however, something inherently dishonest about this approach that would prevent me and most of my colleagues from doing so.</p>
<p>However, a small &#8211; but noisy &#8211; bunch of GPs DO seem to have followed this route, and regularly post articles and comments in GP magazines. <span id="more-420"></span>Here are a few quotes (s0urces available on request):</p>
<blockquote><p>“I have studied homeopathy, scientifically, not in a non-touchy feely way, and have found it to be extremely helpful in areas of medicine where conventional alternatives have not helped. As a GP, I have found homeopathy on occasion to work exceptionally well, and if it does no harm, then why not try it?”</p></blockquote>
<p>And:</p>
<blockquote><p>“I couldn&#8217;t explain it then and I can&#8217;t explain it now. Those who dismiss homeopathy because it does not fit their world view do themselves a disservice, by not attempting to listen to homeopaths or read what they write, unless it is to seek out reasons to toss a few more metaphorical rocks.”</p></blockquote>
<p>A particular vociferous voice is Andrew Sikorski, a Sussex-based GP and member of the executive council of the Faculty of Homeopaths. He regularly hounds Edzard Ernst and the <a href="http://www.pulsetoday.co.uk/" target="_blank">blogs of Pulse magazine</a>, quoting latin phrases in an impressively self-deluded manner. For example:</p>
<blockquote><p>“The best EBM would be studying N=1 trials with the particular patient to see what suits their needs best and provides an optimum outcome. Rarely does my patient match the inclusion criteria of a single study, let alone amalgamated studies included in met-analyses. Yet I am heartened by the research which suggests there is an inbuilt healing system within us all and judiciously following Hippocrates&#8217; dictat &#8216;primo (primum) non nocere&#8217;” &#8211; <a href="http://www.pulsetoday.co.uk/story.asp?storycode=4124485" target="_blank">Source: Pulse 03/12/09</a></p></blockquote>
<p>In other words, in his view, randomised blinded placebo controlled trials are of less value than individual anecdotal evidence. Hippocrates did indeed require that practitioners “first do no harm”, and in his day doing nothing was significantly less harmful than the black magic that was offered at the time. In fact Hippocrates dispelled a lot of the mysticism that dominated health care at the time, and I have no doubt that had he lived today, he would advocate modern evidence based medicine.</p>
<p>There is currently something of a battle going on at government level, fuelled by HRH’s “Foundation for Integrated Health”. Homeopathy has been part of the NHS for many years, with 5 Homeopathy hospitals nationwide, including one in Liverpool. These cost the NHS several million pounds a year to run, and are so established that it is hard to see how they will ever be closed down. The National Institute for Clinical Excellence uses the latest evidence to advocate EBM, and yet we are undermined by the government who are now proposing a “Personal health budget scheme” where patients can choose how NHS money is spent on them, including homeopathy, acupuncture and other alternative treatments. Indeed recent NICE guidelines (normally the bastion of EBM) for back pain are particularly worrying, as the working group included acupuncturists and chiropractors, but no pain management specialists. Not unsurprisingly the guidelines include these alternative therapies.</p>
<p>What’s the harm in CAM? Consider the death in 2000 of a 6 month old baby, whose parents refused conventional medicine in favour of alternative therapies. A leading homeopath was quoted by the BBC:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;Increasingly, with the rise in popularity of complementary medicine these situations are going to arise. Also there is considerable scepticism about some of the aspects of conventional medicine.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>I couldn’t have put it better myself.</p>
<p><strong>As far as the cost is concerned, it was estimated in 2007 that the money spent on homeopathy by the NHS could have saved 600 lives by the prescribing of Herceptin to more breast cancer patients. (Source: Baum, M., et al)</strong></p>
<p>The fact that Prince Charles meets the health secretary on a regular basis, and in the light of the same health secretary’s recent performance in the parliamentary select committee on homeopathy, it would suggest that CAM has more than just a foot in the door. In my view, the Merseyside Skeptics new <a href="http://www.1023.org.uk/" target="_blank">10.23 campaign</a> could not have come at a better time. The more public awareness of what is being done in their name (and with their money) the better.</p>
<p><strong>Dr. Selva Rasaiah<br />
<span style="font-weight: normal;"><a href="http://www.1023.org.uk/" target="_blank">10:23</a></span></strong></p>
<p><em>*Update: After feedback, a couple of the facts here have been happily amended to come more into line with current medical procedure*</em></p>
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